Dodge Reveals EV Muscle Car

[Jer]

Would never buy a Dodge, but that does look nicely designed.

Is it just me though or has Dodge had the oddest and worst lineup of all major brands for at least the last 15 years? I know there are some brand loyalists, but they lack good SUV options, they have 2 boat length cars and some overly compensating looking trucks (compared to well designed Ford, Chevy, GMC).

Not even going to get into their reliability ratings being the worst of all brands.

On the EV side of things... while they're obviously the future and I'd love to have one, I think mass adoption will wait for range to get quite a bit higher. It's just not practical for most people to charge anywhere but home due to how slow and rare most communal chargers are. Since faster chargers require 240, I also see a lot of electricians busy retrofitting garages.

 

[brianhos]

You are correct.

Watched video's of how fast a Tesla is in the 1/4........WOW! But used a majority of the juice.

Was just out in the mountains on vacation and thinking as our van struggles up the grade on I-70.......how the H E double hockey sticks are EV's going to survive on this. They better have a bunch of supercharging stations in the mountains just on the uphill because it will take a majority of the batteries range just to try. And that's just I-70.

And when I say a bunch.......I mean a lot. Because traffic was heavy. Even out in the Vail and Glenwood Springs area.

Yeah but they will gain a ton of energy on the downhill side. It's still physics with ICE or electricity.

 

[NWICY]

I see a higher ratio of Corvette drivers without front plates than those with Teslas, but it seems like law enforcement leaves those Corvette drivers alone about it. They definitely don't ignore the Teslas, though. Trooper Rob Battles here in central Iowa makes a point of it.

That comment sounds like 1st hand experience.

 

[HFCS]

True. But I can fill up a late 60s muscle car in 3 minutes. I can wait 40 minutes to get a 70% charge on a Tesla if I find a Supercharger. And if there's no line.

Lets say my experience renting a Tesla at SeaTac had a lot of drawbacks. There are a lot of charge stations in Seattle but most are destination chargers, where I was getting 10% per hour. The superchargers were spread out and there weren't a lot.

In the words of Jeremy Clarkson "The future is very inconvenient."

There are trade offs.

For anybody who has already been charging in their own garage the idea of having to go to a gas station before or after work is craaaaaaazy inconvenient. I only have a phev but now that I get gas once a month it’s like a gigantic 1920s style chore already.

Gas stations are blockbuster, plugging in at home is Netflix.

Rental car companies need to figure out giving people EVs that are mostly charged though. People who own EVs aren’t pulling out of home on empty charge.

There’s also the legit problem for urban people who have to street park or their building is behind on getting metered outlets.

 

[NorthCyd]

True. But I can fill up a late 60s muscle car in 3 minutes. I can wait 40 minutes to get a 70% charge on a Tesla if I find a Supercharger. And if there's no line.

Lets say my experience renting a Tesla at SeaTac had a lot of drawbacks. There are a lot of charge stations in Seattle but most are destination chargers, where I was getting 10% per hour. The superchargers were spread out and there weren't a lot.

In the words of Jeremy Clarkson "The future is very inconvenient."

The infrastructure isn't in place yet, but the opportunity for there to be charging stations all over the place someday is there. While few hotels would consider adding fuel pumps on location as you need to add a couple of 20,000 gallon underground storage tanks on site along with all the added regulatory and insurance costs that go with it, the idea of adding a bunch of charging stations is much less daunting. So there could be a time where you rent your electric vehicle and simply charge it overnight at your hotel and it's billed to your room or something like that. The flexibility of the fuel delivery system is much greater with electric.

 

[BCClone]

Yes we should and yes they do.

My plastic plate holder on the front of my Ford F350 broke so I grabbed the plate before it fell off and put it on my dash. A day later a sheriff pulls me over for strictly that.

Then, starts looking around my truck for other violations. He says the tint in my windows is too dark. I had none. Then he says I need a class B CDL to drive my dually. I said no I don't. He then had me come back and sit in his car while he looked up my name and my business name for any violations. I had none.

He then proceeds to write me up for not having a front plate......then a bunch of warnings for my window tint not having my F350 inspected or a CDL.

This is not BS and was just a couple of years ago on the Interstate bypass south of Des Moines.

Were you pulling anything?

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Were you pulling anything?

No. Nothing in the bed but an empty 2 gallon gas can for the snow blower. He saw that and said he could fine me $300 for just that being in the bed.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Isn’t the fact that EVs outperform ICE off the line enough?

I imagine so, though that's really an aside from the ridiculousness of the generated sound.

 

[HFCS]

Would never buy a Dodge, but that does look nicely designed.

Is it just me though or has Dodge had the oddest and worst lineup of all major brands for at least the last 15 years? I know there are some brand loyalists, but they lack good SUV options, they have 2 boat length cars and some overly compensating looking trucks (compared to well designed Ford, Chevy, GMC).

Not even going to get into their reliability ratings being the worst of all brands.

On the EV side of things... while they're obviously the future and I'd love to have one, I think mass adoption will wait for range to get quite a bit higher. It's just not practical for most people to charge anywhere but home due to how slow and rare most communal chargers are. Since faster chargers require 240, I also see a lot of electricians busy retrofitting garages.

On west coast they are pretty common, but the # of EVs increases so fast they still need more. Even in remote areas you start to see them. One thing is they don’t have gigantic signs everywhere like gas stations and truck stops, you don’t see them unless you look it up on google or an app.

The other thing is how many days a year are you road tripping? 20? People will realize (as long as they have their own metered outlet) that charging is more fast and convenient the other 345 days a year.

I haven’t upgraded my outlet in the garage because I only have a phev and 120 gets it done overnight or from noon-4 if I charge twice. My next car will be ev. I have a local tax credit but think maybe a federal one is coming. My electrician in LA says it is boosting biz for all of them.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Yeah but they will gain a ton of energy on the downhill side. It's still physics with ICE or electricity.

That's if you make it up to the Eisenhower. And like I said..........that's just I-70.

 

[ScottyP]

Most automakers are going "all-in" on EVs so they obviously see that those are the future of the automotive industry. Dodge has been very slow to adapt but it looks like they are coming around. When other manufacturers focused on efficient vehicles and SUVs, Dodge was pushing their Chargers and Challengers as modern muscle cars and being a niche automaker in a way.

With other manufacturers beginning to bring EVs to the market, I feel like Tesla is becoming more of a status symbol.

 

[HFCS]

I imagine so, though that's really an aside from the ridiculousness of the generated sound.

The hum noise and backup noise is necessary, but I hope fake annoying loud noise never becomes a thing because EVs could transform life that way for people who live by urban noise.

My phev hum and backup noise is nice and subtle. My neighbor’s Kia EV back up noise was comparable to an ambulance but I haven’t heard it in months so im guessing they fixed it as a company with software update.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Would never buy a Dodge, but that does look nicely designed.

Is it just me though or has Dodge had the oddest and worst lineup of all major brands for at least the last 15 years? I know there are some brand loyalists, but they lack good SUV options, they have 2 boat length cars and some overly compensating looking trucks (compared to well designed Ford, Chevy, GMC).

Not even going to get into their reliability ratings being the worst of all brands.

On the EV side of things... while they're obviously the future and I'd love to have one, I think mass adoption will wait for range to get quite a bit higher. It's just not practical for most people to charge anywhere but home due to how slow and rare most communal chargers are. Since faster chargers require 240, I also see a lot of electricians busy retrofitting garages.

I think right now it's great tech. for local areas like Denver and L.A. where there is that atmospheric inversion that prevents the exchanging of air unlike what we have in the midwest.

 

[ScottyP]

The hum noise and backup noise is necessary, but I hope fake annoying loud noise never becomes a thing because EVs could transform life that way for people who live by urban noise.

My phev hum and backup noise is nice and subtle. My neighbor’s Kia EV back up noise was comparable to an ambulance but I haven’t heard it in months so im guessing they fixed it as a company with software update.

To me, having a little hum noise would be nice to deal with the road noise. Consider it like a white noise machine for your car.

I would guess that the loud fake noise will be unwanted and likely only make it a year or two of production (if that) before Dodge drops the idea.

 

[HFCS]

To me, having a little hum noise would be nice to deal with the road noise. Consider it like a white noise machine for your car. It’s only when you’re barely moving, when you get up past 10pm it’s no noise at all.

I would guess that the loud fake noise will be unwanted and likely only make it a year or two of production (if that) before Dodge drops the idea.

I noticed the artificial hum noise at low speeds on mine for a few months but now it’s white noise. It actually reminded me of subtle noise from Star Trek enterprise on the original series at first.

I’ll have to ask neighbor what happened with his Kia backup noise, it was like 20x louder than a Tesla or Toyota.

 

[CascadeClone]

I noticed the artificial hum noise at low speeds on mine for a few months but now it’s white noise. It actually reminded me of subtle noise from Star Trek enterprise on the original series at first.

I’ll have to ask neighbor what happened with his Kia backup noise, it was like 20x louder than a Tesla or Toyota.

I would absolutely get the TOS bridge noise mod.

 

[dmclone]

Don't watch this if you're thinking about buying a non Tesla.



To save everyone some time, electrify America needs to get their **** together

 

[HFCS]

Don't watch this if you're thinking about buying a non Tesla.



To save everyone some time, electrify America needs to get their **** together

Road trips are objectively more of a pain, every other day of your driving life is objectively easier (unless someone only has street parking). Then there is paying 3x to 6x less for fuel.

Ask owners if they'd go back. It's gonna be like getting Netflix users back in a blockbuster.

 

[dmclone]

Road trips are objectively more of a pain, every other day of your driving life is objectively easier (unless someone only has street parking). Then there is paying 3x to 6x less for fuel.

Ask owners if they'd go back. It's gonna be like getting Netflix users back in a blockbuster.

Unless 75% of the time they try to log into Netflix the system is down. I'm an EV fan but range anxiety is a real thing and if you can't count on a charging network, this is a real issue.

 

[HFCS]

Unless 75% of the time they try to log into Netflix the system is down. I'm an EV fan but range anxiety is a real thing and if you can't count on a charging network, this is a real issue.

Even in the worst power outage areas, your home's lights are on 99% of the time.

I think the anxiety is real for people who haven't owned or have only rented on vacation. Once they own/lease at home they realize the old way was a giant pain in the butt on all their non cross country road trip days which is a majority of life.

Getting an EV driver to go back to having to go to a gas station twice a week and pay those comparably insane fuel prices, instead of just rolling out of their garage with 200-400 mile range every single morning will be exactly like expecting people to go back to renting DVDs from a store. I only have a PHEV and cannot imagine going back to a gas only car. (although my gas prices are high so that's part of it)

Even for somebody with a 100 mile dailycommute, as long as they don't street park EV is insanely more convenient. EVs are actually best for that person because that person is constantly having to go to a gas station before or after that long commute. It's only less convenient on the days you want to drive over 400 miles in one day...which I'm guessing is probably something like 4-5 days a year for the average person.

Most people don't even realize gas stations are the inconvenient option yet.