Officiating at the end of the Iowa game

[BCClone]

Blum mentioned this in the instant reaction. Is this true? Is there an official warning or is it more like the ref comes up to the coach and says of your players run out again it's a technical?

Sidelines warnings on the first flag, yards into the second.

 

[KidSilverhair]

You see refs giving a sideline warning once in awhile. I've honestly never seen them go right to the 15 yard penalty without it unless it's some strange thing like a player coming off the sideline to make a tackle or something like that. Now maybe they did give a warning prior, but usually they announce it over the PA.

Thing is, ISU thought it was a change of possession, so the offensive players were heading out on to the field. That was a terrible call that could have impacted the game. At the very most, it should have been a sideline warning.

Yeah, a sideline warning comes with a flag thrown and the referee announcement and everything. It’s not a private warning from the officials to the bench, they let everybody know.

I suppose it’s allowed to jump to the unsportsmanlike penalty without a warning, if it’s an obvious and egregious violation, but jeez … I don’t recall ever seeing that, you usually get a warning before you’re actually penalized, and seemingly recovering a fumble to ensure a victory ought to give that team a little leeway for sideline excitement. It was a truly head-scratching call.

 

[keepngoal]

Blum mentioned this in the instant reaction. Is this true? Is there an official warning or is it more like the ref comes up to the coach and says of your players run out again it's a technical?

Maybe a ref was interfered with, physically? Prompting the flag on first violation.

 

[BCClone]

Yeah, a sideline warning comes with a flag thrown and the referee announcement and everything. It’s not a private warning from the officials to the bench, they let everybody know.

I suppose it’s allowed to jump to the unsportsmanlike penalty without a warning, if it’s an obvious and egregious violation, but jeez … I don’t recall ever seeing that, you usually get a warning before you’re actually penalized, and seemingly recovering a fumble to ensure a victory ought to give that team a little leeway for sideline excitement. It was a truly head-scratching call.

Only time I’ve seen it is when a players (usually without helmets) run down after a TD. Those are obvious. I’ve seen situations like this before, and it’s almost always a warning.

 

[Trice]

Maybe a ref was interfered with, physically? Prompting the flag on first violation.

That is my best guess, as I posted this morning. My hunch is they got the call right (assuming it happened, I haven't seen video) but explained it poorly.

Officiating at the end of the Iowa game

I clicked on a random point in the Iowa State vs. Iowa replay, and it looks like the Iowa defensive end might as close to the neutral zone as we were: The nose of the ball is behind the blue line, though. The ball was past the blue line when we got called for it. If you're going solely by the...

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[Urbandale2013]

How much time between the whistle being blown and the shove? The whole thing happened fast. Like 1/8 second? You can't make a defender pull off with that short of a warning. It's not the same as hitting late our of bounds because the defender can see the boundary line and anticipate when to let up.

Complaints about this are just dumb. 10 years ago maybe but rules are in place to prevent unnecessary physicality. It wouldn’t have been called if he just pushed him out. It was called because he shoved him to the ground into a bunch of other stuff.

 

[theshadow]

But for some reason nobody seems to remember at one point the Big 12 north also had the #1, #2, and #3 ranked teams at the same time.

When?

 

[madguy30]

Blum mentioned this in the instant reaction. Is this true? Is there an official warning or is it more like the ref comes up to the coach and says of your players run out again it's a technical?

Where's the instant reaction? Usually it's easy to see on CF but I haven't seen anything. Weird.

 

[BCClone]

Okay, one thing I remember seeing. One of Dekkers runs, about the 10 yard line, he was being held up by a defender and an Iowa player came in high and drove his helmet right into his facemask and bothering was called. It looked close to the LSU one against FSU where the player got bounced. Nothing was called.

 

[RonBurgundy]

This is the beginning of the end for the ferrets family coaching at Iowa and the eventual downfall of Hok football. We can all rejoice.

We should not wish for this, at all. KF should stay forever.

 

[bosco]

Where's the instant reaction? Usually it's easy to see on CF but I haven't seen anything. Weird.

 

[keepngoal]

When?

It was the Big 8…. 70s or 80s.

 

[theshadow]

It was the Big 8…. 70s or 80s.

Exactly. It wasn't the Big 12 North.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

How much time between the whistle being blown and the shove? The whole thing happened fast. Like 1/8 second? You can't make a defender pull off with that short of a warning. It's not the same as hitting late our of bounds because the defender can see the boundary line and anticipate when to let up.

The one that got flagged wasn’t the one that was engaged with Dekkers. He came in as Hunter was about to go out of bounds and gave him a hard shove.

 

[keepngoal]

The one that got flagged wasn’t the one that was engaged with Dekkers. He came in as Hunter was about to go out of bounds and gave him a hard shove.

Hawks are salty about that flag. Salty.

Dude completed the shove out of bounds. Lay up, hands on Dekkers no flag. Finish the hands on with a big shove, yep.

Frame by frame on my DVR it looks like the right call.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Hawks are salty about that flag. Salty.

Dude completed the shove out of bounds. Lay up, hands on Dekkers no flag. Finish the hands on with a big shove, yep.

Frame by frame on my DVR it looks like the right call.

It’s a no brainer call. Which makes it even more hilarious they’re freaking out. Maybe a decade ago that’s a questionable call, but it’s not questionable in today’s game. It’s going to get called every time.

One of our corners, I think Tampa, did something similar that he didn’t get flagged for that I was surprised by, but it wasn’t a quarterback and there wasn’t another defender actively engaged, so I think because of that the refs held the flag.

 

[keepngoal]

It’s a no brainer call. Which makes it even more hilarious they’re freaking out. Maybe a decade ago that’s a questionable call, but it’s not questionable in today’s game. It’s going to get called every time.

One of our corners, I think Tampa, did something similar that he didn’t get flagged for that I was surprised by, but it wasn’t a quarterback and there wasn’t another defender actively engaged, so I think because of that the refs held the flag.

Agreed. And Dekkers ended up in row three of the stands.

 

[clonehome]

The replay they showed in the stadium had a great angle where you saw the ball coming loose before his arm even got to the line. They showed it a couple times and it was clearly the right call.

That is what I saw on a video clip on espn.com. It looked like someone reached in and stripped him at about the one and he lost control at that point. The still photo that Hawk fans are passing around is bunk because you don’t see the movement of the football.

 

[BCClone]

That is what I saw on a video clip on espn.com. It looked like someone reached in and stripped him at about the one and he lost control at that point. The still photo that Hawk fans are passing around is bunk because you don’t see the movement of the football.

Ours showed both the ball and arm were going forward but separation was occurring and the ball was going down also. You could also see a little green between the ball and the goal line in the slow motion replay.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

The one that got flagged wasn’t the one that was engaged with Dekkers. He came in as Hunter was about to go out of bounds and gave him a hard shove.

That’s why it’s called Unnecessary Roughness. That punk DeJean thought he could get away with a cheap shot. Totally unnecessary.