The nose of the ball is behind the blue line, though. The ball was past the blue line when we got called for it. If you're going solely by the blue line, their DE and we were in a very similar position, but the ball isn't where the blue line is on either of these plays
Officiating at the end of the Iowa game
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Saying refs can't just pick up a flag, wow, that guy is oblivious or doesn't watch football. What was most egregious, the head ref that waived off the flags (Reggie Smith) at that KSU game was not in any position to have seen what actually happened. So it was blatantly obvious he was just anti-Iowa State, he was NOT going to let us get any penalties against KSU in that 4th quarter when they were making a comeback. It would be one thing if Smith had seen the PI or the late hit on our QB and just thought well I'm not sure what I saw was an actual penalty so I'm going to pick up the flag. But no, he just blindly decided, I am not allowing any penalties on KSU. And no, I'm completely over it, not bitter at all. Actually it makes me dislike K State because their fans would never admit the truth of what happened.
It had been widely speculated that Bill Snyder was retiring at the end of that season. It was K-State's last game of the season (I think, last home game, anyway), I'm convinced the refs wanted to make sure they sent him off into retirement with a win. It's the only reasonable explanation. And then old balls Bill didn't retire.
This. I've seen it in the middle of games when coaches are arguing a call or players run on to the field when there is a scrum, but never for players getting excited when they think their team has won at the end of a game. Sideline warning sure, but never a 15 yarder in that kind of situation. It was total BS.
I'd like to see a real explanation on the sideline warning thing. I don't know the rule. If it's egregious enough - say the whole team runs way out on the field instead of just a couple of stray people or whatever - can they jump the warning and go straight to a penalty?
ISU does have to take some responsibility for that, even if the call was blown, because the sack/strip/recovery play would not have ended the game - though obviously even with a sideline warning you're just one kneeldown away from victory.
If that had cost us a chance to ice the game, and we then give up a game-tying FG before losing in OT, I can't even fathom the anger in this fan base. (And rightly so.)
It's supposed to be a warning for the first infraction and then a 5 yard penalty after that, but one of the players must have done something a more agregious. Maybe someone bumped an official in the field of play or something. It's still BS.
There was obviously contact with an official. That's a pretty standard one that you see fairly regularly. I get the excitement but you have to be aware of your surroundings. You can't impede a official's mechanics.
I'd like to see video of it, but this feels like the Baylor Tentgate incident of a few years ago - something that sucks and is probably unfair but was also 100% within our control and we failed to manage. "Winning in the margins," I think is the phrase.
Laughable...
They do not get called all time at end of game when game is on the line.
What gets called rarely is a 1st sideline warning. They didn't even follow the rules for godsakes.
Sideline Warning Returns: An important point of emphasis for the rules committee and the officials is keeping the sidelines clean. This means that players and coaches are not allowed in the restricted area---the space between the sidelines and the coaches’ box and team area. For a long time, the first infraction led to a sideline warning, with no yardage penalty. After a few years the rule was changed to assess a five-yard penalty for the first offense. Now, we are returning to the warning for the first infraction. No yardage penalty will result until the second offense.
You cannot assess any yardage penalty under new rule until 2nd offense unless sideline interferred directly with the play..
Throwing that flag after ISU players clearly thought they just got a fumble and game over is and was one most atrocious calls I've ever seen end of a game honestly.
It was an atrocious call..especially given situation in the game. Rule is 1st offense sideline warning...2nd offense 15 yd penalty.
Sideline Warning Returns: An important point of emphasis for the rules committee and the officials is keeping the sidelines clean. This means that players and coaches are not allowed in the restricted area---the space between the sidelines and the coaches’ box and team area. For a long time, the first infraction led to a sideline warning, with no yardage penalty. After a few years the rule was changed to assess a five-yard penalty for the first offense. Now, we are returning to the warning for the first infraction. No yardage penalty will result until the second offense.
This. Very Important Funders to Iowa athletics have a close relationship to KF that he very shrewdly cultivated over the past couple decades. At this point they are more Ferentz people than Hawkeye people.
Agree, Danny Mac got that. I can’t be that big of a fan boy and not say Mizzou got hosed, I loved it, but refs helped that one.
Just because there are “worse offsides that happen all game” doesn’t make our offsides not an offsides. If three people pass me going 90 in a 55 and I get pulled over for going 70, it doesn’t mean I wasn’t speeding.
One oddity that makes off sides difficult when you are going by the helmet or hand being over is many centers now move the ball so much when they set up. When I played the center could basically roll the ball to get it how they want. Now centers move the ball so they do t adjust where they first set up, some move it back, tip it, move it forward, wiggle it back and forth when directing blocking. It’s nearly impossible to tell OFf sides by a picture while the center has the ball.
This is the cold hard truth, we crap all over ourselves in this game like we do every year. Turnovers and special teams gaffs, it's what we do against Iowa. And it was stunning they were actually in a position to tie the game because of an offsides and celebration penalty. We need way better focus in this game. There is no way this should have been a game, we dominated them. Now their fans think they were jobbed and we didn't legitimately beat them, but they are wrong. Anyone watching can see we are the better team. Credit to our staff and team for pulling it out, but it should have never been that close.
Two different things.
That emphasis is during a play and a cozy or player is standing in the restricted, or blocked white, area. Then yes, it's a warning.
The play yesterday involved change of possession mechanics. There was contact with official(s) that didn't allow referees to get in position to mark the ball ready for play which led to a delay in getting the game moving again.
When people look in the record books it’s never going to say “but it was a weak division”.
Here is what appears to be the rule in question, copied/pasted verbatim from the NCAA '22 rulebook. I'm wondering if the officials simply botched their explanation of the call. Watch the video - they never said "sideline warning," they said "unsportsmanlike conduct" but followed by explaining that players ran on to the field, which sounds more like a sideline warning. Maybe what really happened is someone got in the way of an official(s), and they penalized us per Item II below.
Game Administration and Sideline Interference—ARTICLE 5
Approved Ruling 9-2-5
I. On the opening kickoff, B22 catches the kick at his goal line and returns the ball down the sideline on Team B’s side of the field. As he moves down the sideline officiating the play, the side judge either runs into or must run around a Team B coach or squad member in the restricted area (“the white”). B22 is driven out of bounds at the A-20. RULING: Either situation is physical interference with an official during the play. No warning. Team B foul for unsportsmanlike conduct administered as a dead-ball foul. After the 15-yard penalty, Team B will have first and 10 at the A-35.
II. During a long kickoff return, the Side Judge has to stop and run around the head coach who is out of the coaching box in the restricted area or on the field of play near the sideline. RULING: Team foul for unsportsmanlike conduct. Administer as a dead-ball foul. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding spot. This is a team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct foul against the head coach.
III. During a long kickoff return, the head coach and/or other coaches are outside the coaching box and are in the restricted area or on the field of play near the sideline. No physical interference is made with an official during the play. RULING: Administer as a dead-ball foul.
First infraction: Warning for sideline interference. No yardage penalty.
Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline interference, five yards from the succeeding spot.
Fourth and subsequent infractions: Team unsportsmanlike conduct foul for sideline interference. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding spot. This is a team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct foul against any coach.
Game Administration and Sideline Interference—ARTICLE 5
Approved Ruling 9-2-5
I. On the opening kickoff, B22 catches the kick at his goal line and returns the ball down the sideline on Team B’s side of the field. As he moves down the sideline officiating the play, the side judge either runs into or must run around a Team B coach or squad member in the restricted area (“the white”). B22 is driven out of bounds at the A-20. RULING: Either situation is physical interference with an official during the play. No warning. Team B foul for unsportsmanlike conduct administered as a dead-ball foul. After the 15-yard penalty, Team B will have first and 10 at the A-35.
II. During a long kickoff return, the Side Judge has to stop and run around the head coach who is out of the coaching box in the restricted area or on the field of play near the sideline. RULING: Team foul for unsportsmanlike conduct. Administer as a dead-ball foul. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding spot. This is a team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct foul against the head coach.
III. During a long kickoff return, the head coach and/or other coaches are outside the coaching box and are in the restricted area or on the field of play near the sideline. No physical interference is made with an official during the play. RULING: Administer as a dead-ball foul.
First infraction: Warning for sideline interference. No yardage penalty.
Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline interference, five yards from the succeeding spot.
Fourth and subsequent infractions: Team unsportsmanlike conduct foul for sideline interference. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding spot. This is a team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct foul against any coach.
It's embarrassing this game was even close. If you look at how much ISU dominated this game (look at the stats)... it shouldn't have been close at all. The fact we nearly lost is awful.... and embarrassing. We have to clean up all our stupid a$$ mistakes we make in this game every year.
CMC claims he harps on details and winning in the margins.... and yet we suck at them every year. Our special teams might be worse this year than ever before.... and that's saying something.
There was a picture of an OL holding 15 on that penalty. Usually don't get a call like that late but there appeared to be a holding.
