Thread to share videos of the Baylor game fix

[CyJack13]

You guys really think these refs that get paid very very well, get stipend travel and worked their ass off to get to this point in order to ref power 5 games are going to fix a game? Especially after going through hours of training each year reminding you that its a major violation, instant firing and jail time if you do do it. Too much to lose. Its not happening

Lol yes. These refs make decent money, but that doesn't stop them from wanting more. Plus who knows how much money they could potentially be making on this. They may have been fixing games for years but Saturday just happened to be the day that someone finally caught onto their scheme.

They need to be held accountable, actions need to happen because of this game.

 

[CyJack13]

Allow me to check the finance and phone records of the officials, and I'll get back to you

This needs to happen. I'm not sure if the NCAA can demand that information or if law enforcement needs to get involved.

 

[theshadow]

Freyler targeting
*4th play of game
*Not called on the field
*Replay-initiated call, with 11 seconds on the play clock
Q: How much of Baylor's later passing success was in the area of the field where Freyler would have been?

Without the targeting, it's 3rd and 6 from the Baylor 39.

The very next play...

Reeder unnecessary roughness
*Flag came from the LJ (LOS on Baylor sideline).
*The only possible justification -- and it's a big stretch -- is "contact against an opponent out of the play". The LJ wouldn't have known yet whether or not the WR was obviously out of the play when the contact occurred.
*Anderson had a 7-yard sack wiped out on the play. If that had happened on 3rd and 6 (as it should have been), then it's 4th and 13 and Baylor punts instead of scoring a touchdown.

Moving ahead to action later in the 2nd quarter...

Johnson illegal block
*Came in 2-3 seconds after the play, from the R, who was behind the play and had a bad angle.
*HL (on the LOS, ISU side) had the best sightline, but was likely keyed on the tackle and ball spot.
*Without the penalty, it's 4th and 5 from the ISU 29 -- which is either a 46-yard FG attempt or BU goes for it. Most likely is 3 points, instead of the 7 they got on that drive.

McDonald face mask
*Clearly the right call, but would never have had the opportunity to occur if the previous penalty on Johnson wasn't called.

Now in the 3rd quarter...

McDonald hands to the face
*It happened, but came after a blatant hold by the TE (not called).
*Flag again thrown by R, who should have had a good angle on the hold.
*So what could have been as far back as 1st and 20 from midfield (hold, no PF) turns into 1st and 10 at ISU's 25.
*Baylor finishes the drive with a touchdown.

 

[Clonedogg]

People talking about ISU's lack of rushing yards...I heard CMC talk about this, it's because "the flow" of the game dictated due to some rough penalty calls, we were trying to come from behind and dictated that we needed to throw the ball more than we wanted to. Listen to CMC post game interview, he was not happy with the 1st half penalties.


I don't know if the game was fixed but the bad penalty calls in the first half really put us in a bad way with play calling and the run game.

 

[JUKEBOX]

People talking about ISU's lack of rushing yards...I heard CMC talk about this, it's because "the flow" of the game dictated due to some rough penalty calls, we were trying to come from behind and dictated that we needed to throw the ball more than we wanted to. Listen to CMC post game interview, he was not happy with the 1st half penalties.


I don't know if the game was fixed but the bad penalty calls in the first half really put us in a bad way with play calling and the run game.

Yeah basically the issue boils down to these points:

* Referees made multiple inexplicable bad calls against Iowa State (and non-calls on Baylor) that had a material impact on the outcome and flow of the game (and removed one of our best defensive players).

* Iowa State may or may not have won if calls had not occurred or game was called evenly (still could have lost anyway but we won't know).

* Iowa State fans looking for accountability or transparency for why bad calls were made but will likely receive none. Accusations of incompetency, bias, or fixing the game.

* Any of those reasons could be the cause (I won't rule out fixing as I think it's likely that it occurs in the college game), but I think nothing will happen. The Big 12 conducts officiating reviews internally and we have zero visibility into this. Impractical for a random fan to investigate corruption.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-gamesI

Yeah basically the issue boils down to these points:

* Referees made multiple inexplicable bad calls against Iowa State (and non-calls on Baylor) that had a material impact on the outcome and flow of the game (and removed one of our best defensive players).

* Iowa State may or may not have won if calls had not occurred or game was called evenly (still could have lost anyway but we won't know).

* Iowa State fans looking for accountability or transparency for why bad calls were made but will likely receive none. Accusations of incompetency, bias, or fixing the game.

* Any of those reasons could be the cause (I won't rule out fixing as I think it's likely that it occurs in the college game), but I think nothing will happen. The Big 12 conducts officiating reviews internally and we have zero visibility into this. Impractical for a random fan to investigate corruption.

I’m sorry, but Baylor appeared to be the better team. I’m not saying we couldn’t have won with better officiating, but I think we can move on from this one without going down the conspiracy road.

 

[mitchforcy]

 

[VeloClone]

Did anyone else think it was odd when the ref came back on the targeting call and did not announce the targeting was confirmed, but said the replay officials have determined targeting, or something like that. I know the ref's on the field didn't call it, but I wonder if the referee disagreed with the booth, but got overruled? I was at the game and I thought it sounded strange at the time.

No. There was no call on the field to confirm, let stand or overturn. That is the language that they usually but it doesn't apply when no call was made on the field and the possible penalty review was initiated by the booth.

 

[Cyrocks]

I’m sorry, but Baylor appeared to be the better team. I’m not saying we couldn’t have won with better officiating, but I think we can move on from this one without going down the conspiracy road.

I wouldn't go quite that far.

 

[CyJack13]

Good, this can spread awareness to this. We need to get the word out.

 

[quasistellar]

Did the refs force the d lineman to face mask? There are other legit calls that certainly influenced the outcome that were blatant fouls that destroyed us.

You mean the same guy who was shown being held at the same time?

We can do this all day

 

[3TrueFans]

We can do this all day

Counter-point: We could never do this again.

 

[Statefan10]

I don’t think the game was fixed. There’s probably a 99% chance it wasn’t and I think we’re all just emotional because of the horrible calls and the fact we lost.. But if you think there isn’t bias in referees or even full blown fixing in sports, watch the Netflix special about Tim Donaghy (the ref who went to prison for fixing games).

It opened my eyes to the very fact that it does happen. Now, I’m not a full blown conspiracy theorist that everything is fixed and it’s not all real, but referees do in fact have the power to determine what happens in a game.

 

[CyCloned]

I’m sorry, but Baylor appeared to be the better team. I’m not saying we couldn’t have won with better officiating, but I think we can move on from this one without going down the conspiracy road.

With all of the money in college sports and all of the betting, I am not willing to completely ignore the possibility that something underhanded couldn't happen, but in general, it looked like officials that were in over their heads and not willing to wave off a flag that was just plain wrong. The one that took out our best safety was really painful. The one on the LBer was really weak, and the one on Johnson was just completely ridiculous, and should have been reviewed and overturned. Baylor was the better team through the game, but how much aggression did the ISU defense lose after those first 2 weak penalties in the first drive?

 

[NoCreativity]

Lmao, you conspiracy theorists need to come back to reality.

It's pure incompetence, watch any sporting event, it just doesn't happen to us. It's far worse in college basketball, the refs just suck badly at their jobs.

If they want to clean up officiating then their needs to be consequences for poor job performance, until then stuff like this will continue to happen.

I watched some of the Florida-Tennesse game, one play the Florida QB was easily in by at least a yard and they called him down, went to the replay and immediately called it a TD. Then later Tennessee appeared to be short but there was no way to tell because he was caught in a human dog pile and the refs went ahead and gave him a TD.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

Good, this can spread awareness to this. We need to get the word out.

Not a good look for us as a fanbase. And the one piece of evidence I’ve seen that this happens is the Tim Donaghy thing. I’d like to think a guy getting caught and going to jail would suggest to others they shouldn’t do that. That it’s not worth it.

If someone has evidence of someone doing this and not getting in trouble, that should definitely be shared. Something like, I don’t know, a coach caught working with a shoe company to bring in recruits…but then the coach and/or university not getting in trouble at all…

 

[davegilbertson]

Lmao, you conspiracy theorists need to come back to reality.

It's pure incompetence, watch any sporting event, it just doesn't happen to us. It's far worse in college basketball, the refs just suck badly at their jobs.

If they want to clean up officiating then their needs to be consequences for poor job performance, until then stuff like this will continue to happen.

I watched some of the Florida-Tennesse game, one play the Florida QB was easily in by at least a yard and they called him down, went to the replay and immediately called it a TD. Then later Tennessee appeared to be short but there was no way to tell because he was caught in a human dog pile and the refs went ahead and gave him a TD.

"Like Jeffrey Epstein?"
- Alex Jones

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Not a good look for us as a fanbase. And the one piece of evidence I’ve seen that this happens is the Tim Donaghy thing. I’d like to think a guy getting caught and going to jail would suggest to others they shouldn’t do that. That it’s not worth it.

If someone has evidence of someone doing this and not getting in trouble, that should definitely be shared. Something like, I don’t know, a coach caught working with a shoe company to bring in recruits…but then the coach and/or university not getting in trouble at all…

I would also say Tim Donaghy and the Boston College point shaving stories aren’t evidence that game fixing is prevalent. Quite the opposite, it shows game fixing is so rare that these became subjects of movies and documentaries

 

[cyclonestunners]

look i get the refs missed some huge calls.

to say the game was "fixed" is just plain naive.

did the refs cause our offense to punt after having the ball twice with only being down 3?

did the refs cause our offense to average 1.7 yards per carry?

What a stupid take. Those drive extenders led to our defense being out there longer, and Baylor d getting extra rest. Campbell and manning thrive in tiring down defenses. They couldnt here and we're gifted 14 points to the opposing team. Even with the stats you list above, we won without those calls

 

[CyJack13]

Not a good look for us as a fanbase. And the one piece of evidence I’ve seen that this happens is the Tim Donaghy thing. I’d like to think a guy getting caught and going to jail would suggest to others they shouldn’t do that. That it’s not worth it.

If someone has evidence of someone doing this and not getting in trouble, that should definitely be shared. Something like, I don’t know, a coach caught working with a shoe company to bring in recruits…but then the coach and/or university not getting in trouble at all…

Did you watch the Tim Donaghy Netflix show? It was much more widespread than him. David Stern shut down the investigation and put it all on Donaghy to prevent the real scope of it being found out. It appears there's a similar problem with NCAA football now too.