List of issues that have been present the entire run of CMC

[JUKEBOX]

I think they'll get things figured out eventually (especially if Campbell has like a 20+ year tenure).

Some small things I'd like to see improved for the program:

1. Special teams management

Every year we have issues here, so I'm not sure if we can get a dedicated resource to improve this group. I remember I was impressed with how K-State used to handle special teams under Snyder.

2. Offensive line development

It feels like every team in the midwest (and our rivals to the east) seem to be able to recruit and develop NFL talent in this position group. Iowa State seems to always struggle here for whatever reason, and I'm not sure why. It would be nice to get that corrected.

3. Stretching the field on offense

We have to play to our strengths and have a solid running game, but it would be nice to have some deep threats to stretch the ball downfield. Probably going to be easier for our program to recruit NFL tight-ends than receivers, but we need to figure something out here.


Those are three things that come to mind at least.

 

[madguy30]

How much did Tech beat us by the year before 66-10?

Dont think it was 50 but I doubt we played them close in Rhoads final year

66-31

 

[cayin]

CPR had "ONE" winning season with Danny Mac and Chizik players going 7-6 with two of those wins being a squeaker one point win against Minnesota (this game included 4 Cyclone turnovers and being outgained by the Gophers) and the famous 8 turnover Nebraska game.

I remember and appreciate the OSU and TCU wins during CPRs tenure but there was never any consistent success beyond 2009. The ceiling was 6 wins and a one-sided bowl loss to the likes of Rutgers and Tulsa (a team easily defeated during the same season). The ceiling was lowered to 3 wins after the 2012 season.

Here are two callbacks for everyone from those CPR special teams:

-2010: Having the holder throw for a two-point conversion into the wind against Nebraska, this game also included a missed FG.

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-2015: Hooked FG miss against CMC and Toledo when the ball was not centered on the final running play. Later same that year Bill Snyder runs a play to center the ball for his kicker to win in regulation

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conference re-alignment really derailed CPR's program. He has two recruiting seasons where he couldn't tell recruits if we were even going to be p5 or not.

 

[madguy30]

Poor O-Line play
Not taking chances downfield
Poor playcalling
Special teams, especially kick and punt coverage
Weird/stupid unforced mistakes(bad drops, bad snaps, dropped INTs, missed sacks leading to other teams getting 1st downs)
Penalties at dumb times
Poor defense at the end of the 1st half
Losing on the final drive of the game

I love Campbell but holy **** how do we have so many constant problems year to year.

With exception to a score to close out the 1st half, all of these happened yesterday.

 

[Inthesystem]

I keep saying Campbell is a smart guy and will get special teams figured out. It’s past time.

 

[jsb]

Tell me where Im wrong please instead of flying in here crying that someone dare ask questions of a coach who's flaws are obvious even though he still wins. I cant wait to hear all your intelligent counter points.

5-14 in toss up games and 12-19(I think that was it) in 1 score games is something to wonder instead of burying my head in the sand and pretending everythinf is ok

Do you even read what I write? Did I say you were wrong? I think you are right on some of them, some of them you are overreacting and lack perspective on some of them, and some of them you are wrong.

I'm saying that all coaches have faults and part of being a reasonable fan is knowing that you have to accept the bad with the good. I'm saying that you'd have to be a raging idiot not to know that Campbell obviously knows that the things you posted aren't great and that he isn't working to fix them (I do think you are a raging idiot because your stupid close lose crap can be interpreted 2 different ways.) And I'm also saying that this was going to be a rebuilding year.

By saying you 'aren't burying your head in the sand', you are saying that Campbell should not be the coach. Who should be our next coach? Who are you hiring if Campbell takes the Nebraska job? Who is going to be better?

 

[jsb]

As I said in a different thread, being the best coach in our history is a bar so low you cant even trip over it

He's the only one to ever reach that ******* bar here. Who is going to be better? I want names.

 

[Darius Bieber]

He's the only one to ever reach that ******* bar here. Who is going to be better? I want names.

Leipold took the worst dumpsterfire in FBS to a 5-0 season start in his second year. We haven't been 5-0 in 40 years.

 

[madguy30]

Do you even read what I write? Did I say you were wrong? I think you are right on some of them, some of them you are overreacting and lack perspective on some of them, and some of them you are wrong.

I'm saying that all coaches have faults and part of being a reasonable fan is knowing that you have to accept the bad with the good. I'm saying that you'd have to be a raging idiot not to know that Campbell obviously knows that the things you posted aren't great and that he isn't working to fix them (I do think you are a raging idiot because your stupid close lose crap can be interpreted 2 different ways.) And I'm also saying that this was going to be a rebuilding year.

By saying you 'aren't burying your head in the sand', you are saying that Campbell should not be the coach. Who should be our next coach? Who are you hiring if Campbell takes the Nebraska job? Who is going to be better?

At the moment I'm pretty high on KU's coach. Starting last November his teams are playing very much forward with a purpose.

He'll either stay at KU and retire or maybe be the WI guy if Cryst and Leonard leave.

 

[jsb]

Leipold took the worst dumpsterfire in FBS to a 5-0 season start in his second year. We haven't been 5-0 in 40 years.

And Campbell took a pretty bad dumpster fire by all of our accounts and got us to 5 straight bowl games, our only BCS bowl game, the second best conference record over 5 years, and 5 straight winning conference records. None of which has ever been done before here.

You all are acting like he's winning 3 games a year.

Everyone needs to calm the **** down and grow the **** up.

 

[jsb]

At the moment I'm pretty high on KU's coach. Starting last November his teams are playing very much forward with a purpose.

He'll either stay at KU and retire or maybe be the WI guy if Cryst and Leonard leave.

So we aren't getting him if Campbell leaves. So who are we getting that is better?

 

[Darius Bieber]

And Campbell took a pretty bad dumpster fire by all of our accounts and got us to 5 straight bowl games, our only BCS bowl game, the second best conference record over 5 years, and 5 straight winning conference records. None of which has ever been done before here.

You all are acting like he's winning 3 games a year.

Everyone needs to calm the **** down and grow the **** up.

The other poster was saying all of that is a low bar. In fact, we're the last Big 12 team remaining that hadn't been to a NY6 bowl, so yes it is a low bar by all accounts. We all think Campbell is our savior just because we got a glimpse of what pretty much every other CFB team has gotten at some point in their history.

 

[jsb]

The other poster was saying all of that is a low bar. In fact, we're the last Big 12 team remaining that hadn't been to a NY6 bowl, so yes it is a low bar by all accounts. We all think Campbell is our savior just because we got a glimpse of what pretty much every other CFB team has gotten at some point in their history.

So who should we hire that is going to be better? If all of this is so unacceptable to you, who should it be? Let's get them hired.

 

[cyclones500]

How much did Tech beat us by the year before 66-10?

Dont think it was 50 but I doubt we played them close in Rhoads final year

Correct. Lost to Tech 66-31 the previous year. ... 91-point swing.

(Edit: @madguy30 was way ahead of me w/ response)

 

[madguy30]

So we aren't getting him if Campbell leaves. So who are we getting that is better?

Oh I'm sure someone's out there that can sustain 7ish wins even at a historically bad football school but who that is could be anyone from another bad school or coordinator, whatever. I'm not in the know of the depths of those options.

FWIW I'm not in the 'fire everyone and anyone' crowd but I'm also not sure how CMC is so appealing to a Nebraska since they need someone to get them to their 1990s dream land.

 

[CoKane]

Do you even read what I write? Did I say you were wrong? I think you are right on some of them, some of them you are overreacting and lack perspective on some of them, and some of them you are wrong.

I'm saying that all coaches have faults and part of being a reasonable fan is knowing that you have to accept the bad with the good. I'm saying that you'd have to be a raging idiot not to know that Campbell obviously knows that the things you posted aren't great and that he isn't working to fix them (I do think you are a raging idiot because your stupid close lose crap can be interpreted 2 different ways.) And I'm also saying that this was going to be a rebuilding year.

By saying you 'aren't burying your head in the sand', you are saying that Campbell should not be the coach. Who should be our next coach? Who are you hiring if Campbell takes the Nebraska job? Who is going to be better?

No, you didnt, you came in accusing me of being ungrateful because i questioned Campbell and asked me to name a repalcement. Im just choosing to not wallow in ISUs garbage football history and acknowledging we're in the best spot we've ever been in program history, and fixing problems will push us even higher. I dont know why thats objectionable. We all want the same thing here, which is Iowa State winning games.

Yes, all coaches have flaws. The good ones are the coaches who overcome them. And I dont think Campbell is a bad coach. But we're on year 7 and we still have issues that lost us games from years 1 and 2. So whats the deal? If he knows the issues that plague his run here then why arent they getting fixed? He's had 5 years to fix the blatent ones and they're still problems. If he knows what the issues are but they arent getting better that either means he doesnt know how to fix them, doesnt think they need to be fixed, or isn't willing to do what it takes to fix them. No matter which way it goes here its a problem and questions should be asked.

He's the only one to ever reach that ******* bar here. Who is going to be better? I want names.

There are no names to give. Campbell is the dude and I want him to be the dude. But he can very quickly work his way out of that and lose momentum where it matters if we just sit on our hands and just allow our ceiling to be 7-5 every year while blowing games the same way. Imagine if we didn't do that! Maybe we'd win 10 games in a season or have a real shot to play for something meaningful. If we even won 1 or 2 of the toss ups we drop every year we'd be in such a different spot. I just dont want this golden opportunity to finally elevate the program get blown

 

[Gunnerclone]

Tell me where Im wrong please instead of flying in here crying that someone dare ask questions of a coach who's flaws are obvious even though he still wins. I cant wait to hear all your intelligent counter points.

5-14 in toss up games and 12-19(I think that was it) in 1 score games is something to wonder instead of burying my head in the sand and pretending everythinf is ok

I’d be interested to see what our FG attempts/makes looks like in those games.

 

[CoKane]

Correct. Lost to Tech 66-31 the previous year. ... 91-point swing.

(Edit: @madguy30 was way ahead of me w/ response)

Ah. Id imagine that's some sort of record year to year as well

 

[CoKane]

I’d be interested to see what our FG attempts/makes looks like in those games.

Probably pretty ****! Its likely not the only stat that looks bad in those games either

 

[jsb]

No, you didnt, you came in accusing me of being ungrateful because i questioned Campbell and asked me to name a repalcement. Im just choosing to not wallow in ISUs garbage football history and acknowledging we're in the best spot we've ever been in program history, and fixing problems will push us even higher. I dont know why thats objectionable. We all want the same thing here, which is Iowa State winning games.

Yes, all coaches have flaws. The good ones are the coaches who overcome them. And I dont think Campbell is a bad coach. But we're on year 7 and we still have issues that lost us games from years 1 and 2. So whats the deal? If he knows the issues that plague his run here then why arent they getting fixed? He's had 5 years to fix the blatent ones and they're still problems. If he knows what the issues are but they arent getting better that either means he doesnt know how to fix them, doesnt think they need to be fixed, or isn't willing to do what it takes to fix them. No matter which way it goes here its a problem and questions should be asked.


There are no names to give. Campbell is the dude and I want him to be the dude. But he can very quickly work his way out of that and lose momentum where it matters if we just sit on our hands and just allow our ceiling to be 7-5 every year while blowing games the same way. Imagine if we didn't do that! Maybe we'd win 10 games in a season or have a real shot to play for something meaningful. If we even won 1 or 2 of the toss ups we drop every year we'd be in such a different spot. I just dont want this golden opportunity to finally elevate the program get blown

If all of the issues you repeatedly point out game after game (yesterday was not your first time ******** about it) are really issues, then he should be replaced. It's dumb to keep a coach with as many flaws as you point out and who refuses to change (as you point out). You can't possibly be arguing to keep a coach that is as flawed as you say he is.