Matt Campbell postgame quote

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interesting take. i used to have to listen to ISU FB on the radio, because it was never on tv. BB was even worse, because it was on AM radio at night, and you could barely hear it. i have seen and listened to some really bad football. but i'm the problem, because i get upset when we make stupid mistakes with vastly more talented players/coaches? My father got to see the earl bruce teams while he was attending ISU. but he is a bad fan. still an ISU fan, but he's the problem too, right? . go ahead and look up the win loss records of ISU coaches for the last 50 years.
you know when you see bad plays, and stupid mistakes. so do us "old" cyclone fans. I don't have a woe is me ISU mentality. If i did, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have been a fan for 40(ish) years, that I can remember, i won't count the 7-8 years when i was so young i didn't know what was going on.

signed, awful ISU fan

I must have missed something in my post where I mentioned you by name? I never said anyone was an awful fan, I said that our older fans are awful when it comes to the whole woe is me ISU attitude. I'm in my 40's man, I've sat through a lot of sh!tty seasons too.
 
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Mediocrity. Achieved it under Earle Bruce. 30 years in the Wilderness and we finally get the best coach in Iowa State history. And you complain and think you know better. Team is young. They’ll improve. Hunter gets better or he will have competition coming in JJ. Trust Campbell. He will get things fixed.
Imagine using the young excuse when the transfer portal is available.

As for improvement, where? On offense? How?

I mean, these guys are giving Walden's Up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt! guys a run for the money.

Sister said watching the KSU game, in person, was absolutely reminiscent. At least Walden had valid excuses.
 

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Imagine using the young excuse when the transfer portal is available.

As for improvement, where? On offense? How?

I mean, these guys are giving Walden's Up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt! guys a run for the money.

Sister said watching the KSU game, in person, was absolutely reminiscent. At least Walden had valid excuses.

IMO we have plenty of talented dudes, we just need to adjust our scheme/philosophy to help them succeed. The multiple TE sets have become incredibly predictable, teams have that all figured out. How and where we run the ball is predictable too, we almost NEVER run to the weak side. We have to spread teams out and let Hunter go to work, that's they type of QB he is. That will help balance out numbers in the box which should help the run game. We have zero creativity on offense right now.
 

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Then why would you expect top half Big 12 results when we pay our coaches bottom half salaries?
So the answer is we just pay the Offensive staff (Manning, Meyers, etc) more money and they will produce better results? Brilliant!! CMC has the exact staff he wants, and if he didn't he would have already replaced the applicable positions.
 

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IMO we have plenty of talented dudes, we just need to adjust our scheme/philosophy to help them succeed. The multiple TE sets have become incredibly predictable, teams have that all figured out. How and where we run the ball is predictable too, we almost NEVER run to the weak side. We have to spread teams out and let Hunter go to work, that's they type of QB he is. That will help balance out numbers in the box which should help the run game. We have zero creativity on offense right now.
This. This right here. This is all I want to see. Something new. Something innovative.
 

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Fans start to get to determine assistants then Campbell will move on. Take the $100 million and leave. We can get back to the glory years of Chizik. And Rhoads. Cheap seats. Lots of parking. Able to leave before 4th quarter and avoid traffic. Good times.
As far as I'm concerned, they could give Campbell a 20 year contract and I'd be fine with it. That said, this year has been less fun than most Chizik and Rhoads years. More competitive in some ways, but it's pretty tough watching this team right now.
 

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This. This right here. This is all I want to see. Something new. Something innovative.

I agree. They need to get through this weekend and then do a total revamp of the offense during the bye like they did a few years ago on defense. Figure out what they're good at and lean into it.

When they had Soehner, Allen, Kolar, the offense wasn't super explosive, but at least it had an identity. I have no idea what the identity is right now other than the OL getting blown up and not being able to run the ball.
 

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Imagine using the young excuse when the transfer portal is available.

As for improvement, where? On offense? How?

I mean, these guys are giving Walden's Up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt! guys a run for the money.

Sister said watching the KSU game, in person, was absolutely reminiscent. At least Walden had valid excuses.

Defense so far is improved from last year.
We'll see what happens with injuries over time.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, they could give Campbell a 20 year contract and I'd be fine with it. That said, this year has been less fun than most Chizik and Rhoads years. More competitive in some ways, but it's pretty tough watching this team right now.

You prefer losing by double digits almost every game and not being competitive as better than Campbell? Disagree. Completely
 

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I understand a lot of the frustrations and I feel them too. We're all fans here and we all can have whatever expectations we want. Higher expectations = more aggravation. Some want that kind of stress and others don't. Both sets of fans are good fans in my opinion.

Where I've landed is Campbell has earned my patience as a fan by what he has accomplished so far in his career here, which is nothing short of miraculous. He's one of, if not THE best coach in the history of our program. So yeah, he's earned it.

He's also not perfect and the continued mistakes in the same areas are extremely frustrating. Some of that might have to do with how long he's been here. We've had him here long enough to see trends and get annoyed by shortcomings. Unless he's Saban, we're likely going to run into things like that with anyone.
 

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No kidding. The Bi*c*ing never stops
Social media is the worst thing that ever happened to a team that's struggling. People love sharing their opinions to people that couldn't care less to hear it. But then they see there are others that agree with them and then they ***** more. I used to LOVE coming to CF, and don't even think of looking at a gameday thread. The bottom 10% post 99% of the time. I guess it's cheaper than therapy.
 
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No, we aren't. And if our offense plays so few players, isn't that a problem with coaching?

As I have asked, does ISU have absolutely no gameplan for when the run game isn't working?

What exactly was their strategy going to be if they ever fell far behind?

At some point people need to start feeling really uncomfortable about where we are in year 7.
Give them some grace. Campbell and his staff have built up some goodwill. This has been a frustrating season, but if you thought we'd win 8 or 9 games, then that's on you.

I do think where there is cause for concern is the O-Line not improving to or maintaining at even a moderate level of consistent success. We get a good game here or there, but they are and have been often bad. Special teams is obviously a glaring issue. Winning in the margins is another. Seems like 3 areas where Campbell has harped on relentlessly, and more so in the early seasons, and allegedly been placing his focus, is where we are weakest. I don't understand that, and agree that it gives a certain uneasy feeling about the future.

I personally am resolving to give them this season. Let young players continue to develop, let experience set in, let Dekkers get more and more comfortable etc. Maybe make some staffing changes in the offseason (wouldn't mind seeing a new OL coach) and then if we are still having these conversations a year from now, it might be time to have some of these more difficult conversations.

At the end of the day, you have to realize that even though 7-5, 6-6 isn't necessarily that exciting, and there could be seasons where we are 5-7 or worse, that is still a level of sustained success that no ISU coach has really ever achieved. Could just mean the ceiling at ISU is only so high, regardless of the coach. We will see.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, they could give Campbell a 20 year contract and I'd be fine with it. That said, this year has been less fun than most Chizik and Rhoads years. More competitive in some ways, but it's pretty tough watching this team right now.
It has certainly had some sh!tty moments, but there is a half a book to still be written yet. I think there will be some decent chapters along the way. This team can't be worse than even one of Rhoads better teams IMO.
 
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Social media is the worst thing that ever happened to a team that's struggling. People love sharing their opinions to people that couldn't care less to hear it. But then they see there are others that agree with them and then they ***** more. I used to LOVE coming to CF, and don't even think of looking at a gameday thread. The bottom 10% post 99% of the time. I guess it's cheaper than therapy.

Social media makes everyone an expert and makes them think their expert opinion is needed to be heard.
 
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I understand a lot of the frustrations and I feel them too. We're all fans here and we all can have whatever expectations we want. Higher expectations = more aggravation. Some want that kind of stress and others don't. Both sets of fans are good fans in my opinion.

Where I've landed is Campbell has earned my patience as a fan by what he has accomplished so far in his career here, which is nothing short of miraculous. He's one of, if not THE best coach in the history of our program. So yeah, he's earned it.

He's also not perfect and the continued mistakes in the same areas are extremely frustrating. Some of that might have to do with how long he's been here. We've had him here long enough to see trends and get annoyed by shortcomings. Unless he's Saban, we're likely going to run into things like that with anyone.
Good perspective!

Do you think Iowa fans are confused about how Kirk's offense blows harder now than it did 20 years ago? Did he forget how to coach? As much success as Kirk has had, he is tremendously flawed! ISU fans, myself included, would kill to have a long-tenured coach with a resume like Kirk's, off field stuff notwithstanding.
 

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Imagine using the young excuse when the transfer portal is available.

As for improvement, where? On offense? How?

I mean, these guys are giving Walden's Up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt! guys a run for the money.

Sister said watching the KSU game, in person, was absolutely reminiscent. At least Walden had valid excuses.
I remember Walden had something going in 89. After that year the offense started to become very rudimentary until he tried the triple option which somehow made it even more one dimensional.

His best seasons were when he was limited on scholarship players after the Jim Criner debacle. I recall after the 89 season he was supposedly offered a job at a larger university but turned it down because people said they'd be hurt if he left. Walden remained at Iowa State to install the triple option and grind the football program into oblivion by 1994.