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joefrog

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If rebuild were 7-6 after some bigger seasons, it would seem OK.

If rebuild means 3-9 after seasons of 7, 9, and 7 wins, it means we're in a spot that programs don't dig out of. Then it's not a rebuild, it's a collapse.
That's why I am sounding the alarm. I want this staff to succeed and stay here.

Last year's results concerned me. This year, so far, has me very worried.

Can anyone explain what exactly they did to address the problems we all saw last year? Or why we weren't more active in the transfer portal?

I have never seen where trying the same thing with lesser talent would provide better results. We're wasting the effort of a historical defensive unit.
 

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Is it right to put a good hit on a starting QB and as a result win a game?
 

isufbcurt

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I just don’t understand why these kids don’t understand that you need to keep your head up and see what you are tackling?

You absolutely cannot lower your head and use your helmet as a weapon. Yet they continue to do it all the time.

I’ve never agreed with ejecting kids from the game for it, but if they’re going to be that stupid, maybe they should be ejected? Ejected for being a dumb a** should be the call.

His head never hit the guy, his shoulder pad did.
 

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The two late TOs were a killer for Baylor. Might have taken a little shine off of Aranda this season.
Baylor gave the game away with turnovers and the blocked extra point converted for two points. Plus one of the turnovers was a score for WVU. Not many teams can overcome that let alone losing your QB1 during the game - not a mystery.
 
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It is clearly targeting by every letter of the rule, but like Nolaeer said, the main problem lies with QB's trying to gain every possible yard before they slide. It puts the defender in a no win situation. I don't know what the answer is but as soon as defenders start letting up earlier on those type of plays, QB's will take advantage of it and run for more yards.

Not to say it's impossible Shapen wouldn't have still gotten concussed, or injured something else, but the defender is already starting to go in for the tackle right when Shapen starts his slide. 100% agree he shouldn't have led with his head but even if he goes in for a normal tackle, it's probably called a late hit and maybe still even targeting if he hits his head.

This is a really tough situation for a defender, but not even close to some of the worst targeting calls. At least the defender is unloading roughly at the same time as the start of the slide and he has his head down.

Many of the targeting calls defenders are asked to defy the laws of physics, or get kicked out making a perfect, textbook, heads up tackle because some receiver catches the ball then ducks down and draws "forcible contact to the head and neck area."

Targeting, roughing the passer, and pass interference penalties are defined and/or officiated horribly.

- If a defender hits an offensive player with their head up and in a position that if the offensive player was in a normal running position would not be head/neck contact, it should never ever be a penalty, and should never be considered a penalty. Anybody that thinks it should needs to make zero decisions about the game or safety.
- Every offensive player that ducks his head and leads with the crown upon contact should be flagged with a personal foul. Maybe ejected on the second one, or immediately ejected.
- If a defender is raising his hands to tip a pass and his hands come down and slap or graze a QBs helmet that absolutely should not be a penalty. There is zero danger there.

The sad thing is about targeting is that the old stone age "spearing" rules were actually far better than the current targeting rules, they just were NEVER enforced, especially on offensive players. The fact is the number of dangerous head down contact situations initiated by offensive players absolutely dwarfs those initiated by defensive players.

If the point is to actually make the game safer, then go back to old "spearing" rules and actually enforce them on both sides of the ball. If the intent is to make stupid fans that don't understand the game entertained because it's glorified 7 on 7 while maintaining a majority of the dangerous plays, then keep doing what they are doing.
 

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I know our season is disappointing. I would say Baylor's is worse at this point.

they were supposed to contend for a conf championship and will have to claw to 6 wins. Just shows most programs have to go through rebuilding phases. We are not immune to that.

The game against WVU could be pretty huge, may be the difference in a bowl for us or not.
This team will be out of bowl contention before the WVU game playing like they have been.
 

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Baylor gave the game away with turnovers and the blocked extra point converted for two points. Plus one of the turnovers was a score for WVU. Not many teams can overcome that let alone losing your QB1 during the game - not a mystery.

That blocked extra point is one of my favorite plays of the year.
I'd include that Baylor's defense does them no favors.
 
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isutrevman

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I wasn’t able to watch much, but I was watching towards the end when the WV back broke off the long run to the 10. They showed the replay from the end zone angle - all those linemen just zone blocking to the right, a big hole opens between two of them, the back zips through, gets by the lone linebacker about 7 yards downfield …

Is it really that hard to never be able to do that? Is it just too hard to scheme that kind of play, and instead run over the guard into a stacked front followed by 3-yard drag patterns?
We did that a ton with Breece. Even Brock had a long run against Baylor. Right now we're playing our 3rd and 4th string running backs. They aren't as good at reading blocks and running to the correct hole as Breece and Brock.
 

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I seem to remember that Purdy got hit at OU last year (obvious targeting) and NO CALL....

ISU seems to get screwed on these calls more often than not.
 
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isutrevman

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Fitzgerald's definitely a pretty good comparison. I hadn't noticed how far he's fallen off. Holy cow.
Northwestern went 3-9 in 2019, then won the Big Ten north the following year going 7-2 and ended ranked #10. They've also had multiple losing seasons followed by 10 win seasons.

That's the nature of the business for programs that get the level of talent that Northwestern and Iowa State get. We are still at the middle to the bottom of the Big 12 in talent. It's gotten better, but we're not talented enough to show up and win 7-8 game per year based on talent. This year I'd say we're more talented than Kansas, less talented than Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, and pretty close with everyone else.

That means we have a lot of close games because we're playing a lot of games against teams with similar talent. So far this year we've lost all those close games. Hopefully that turns and we win a couple. In 2020 we won all the close games with the exception of @OSU and Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title game.
 
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TheJackWePack5

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Northwestern went 3-9 in 2019, then won the Big Ten north the following year going 7-2 and ended ranked #10. They've also had multiple losing seasons followed by 10 win seasons.

That's the nature of the business for programs that get the level of talent that Northwestern and Iowa State get. We are still at the middle to the bottom of the Big 12 in talent. It's gotten better, but we're not talented enough to show up and win 7-8 game per year based on talent. This year I'd say we're more talented than Kansas, less talented than Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, and pretty close with everyone else.

That means we have a lot of close games because we're playing a lot of games against teams with similar talent. So far this year we've lost all those close games. Hopefully that turns and we win a couple. In 2020 we won all the close games with the exception of @OSU and Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title game.
We basically have to accept that we are going to play several nip and tuck games every year. That’s just how our talent and playing style is going to be.

Sometimes they go your way (2020) and sometimes they do not (2021, 2022 so far).

Margins.
 

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Last night I thought Aranda must regret running-off his former QB, Gerry Bohanon, to USF or wherever he ended up. Aranda got all the media applause but suspect Baylor fans aren't clapping for that decision this morning. Shapen could be out for the year.
 
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Northwestern went 3-9 in 2019, then won the Big Ten north the following year going 7-2 and ended ranked #10. They've also had multiple losing seasons followed by 10 win seasons.

That's the nature of the business for programs that get the level of talent that Northwestern and Iowa State get. We are still at the middle to the bottom of the Big 12 in talent. It's gotten better, but we're not talented enough to show up and win 7-8 game per year based on talent. This year I'd say we're more talented than Kansas, less talented than Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, and pretty close with everyone else.

That means we have a lot of close games because we're playing a lot of games against teams with similar talent. So far this year we've lost all those close games. Hopefully that turns and we win a couple. In 2020 we won all the close games with the exception of @OSU and Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title game.
I totally agree with this. However, Northwestern has the privilege in playing in a very soft division.
 

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He was going low to tackle the qb by the knees and hed already committed when the qb slid.

It is targeting under the rule, which didnt exist when i played and needs to be modified now.

sliding is very dangerous because it exposes your head to the force of the tackler. Even if the contact is the shoulder pad and not the helmet, chance for severe injury is there.

Sliding should be illegal. They need to devise of something else to signal the qb wants to be down. maybe he could spike the ball.
This is total bs. He had every opportunity to stop and chose to stick a shoulder in there to pop him anyway.
 

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