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You have probably heard ISU is 1-8 in our last 9 games decided by 7 points or less. And of course, we've lost 4 in a row. I did a quick search to see if any other P5 teams have as many close losses this season as we do:

Iowa State 4
Mizzou 3
Nebby 3
Iowa and many others 2

I found it interesting that us and our neighbors have struggled so much in close games. I don't think that's a coincidence. There is some similarity in style of play, but I think there is a refusal to quit as well. Midwestern stubbornness.

I'm pretty sure the list would pretty much look the same if you went back to the beginning of last season.
 

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You have probably heard ISU is 1-8 in our last 9 games decided by 7 points or less. And of course, we've lost 4 in a row. I did a quick search to see if any other P5 teams have as many close losses this season as we do:

Iowa State 4
Mizzou 3
Nebby 3
Iowa and many others 2

I found it interesting that us and our neighbors have struggled so much in close games. I don't think that's a coincidence. There is some similarity in style of play, but I think there is a refusal to quit as well. Midwestern stubbornness.

I'm pretty sure the list would pretty much look the same if you went back to the beginning of last season.
Lolll Beginning of last season , have you been watch the last 5 years. This the CMC special. John Heacock defense keeps the game within reach till the last quarter , for either the offense or special teams to have massive screw ups.
 

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just don't say We Are Iowa State, even though that's the nicest way to express frustration in these situations.
 
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Whether you agree with it or not, with the way Iowa State wants to play football, most games are going to be one score games. The 1-8 record is just our last 9 games when you remove teams that Iowa State is clearly better than: Ohio, SEMO, 2021 TCU (Breece Hall farewell tour), and 2021 Texas. For reference, we haven’t had a loss by more than one score since Iowa beat us by 10 points last season.

In summary, I don’t see the stat as anything other than we are on a bad streak right now against our equals, but we are still generally playing the type of game that we want to.
 

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Shamelessly reposted from meltdown thread:

Figured a lot more of it out.

1: We appear to still be tipping run plays, and possibly snap count issues.
2: Teams have figured out Campbell Ball: Simply do it better with fewer turnovers.
CMC appears very risk averse. "Winning in the margins" is just a football term for the
old corporate philosophy of Six Sigma, where you eliminate errors.
3: Holding everything else equal, if two teams have comparable coaching, difference will come down to athletes and risk. Well, we know where we are with recruiting. And we've seen the opponents unafraid to gamble because ISU won't make them pay. The fake punt by Texas should have worked two years ago, took an outstanding play by a walk-on? to stop it by himself.
4: Teams have figured out all you have to do is be patient against ISU, and eventually it will work out. especially with
5: Biased Big12 officiating means losses in close games. Those huge calls, or no calls, that typically happen at least once a game against ISU means Campbell Ball cannot work anymore. Even officiating would put ISU at .500 in the close games, but we aren't anymore. And that's why
6: Campbell is showing the emotion he did, especially at the mouthy Texas player(s). And in press conferences. Imagine having a job where you cannot even mention one of the biggest problems you face that is completely out of your control. I'd be pissed too.
7: Staff have way more film than we do, plus I am sure CMC has gotten sick of the usual BS from the league office. CMC has figured out he is in the conference with the most favorite friendly officiating in the country. See the SEC today? They let Alabama lose. They know it works itself out.
8: Big12 has been all about protecting and favoring Texas/OU in football and KU in basketball. I hate this conference.
 

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Whether you agree with it or not, with the way Iowa State wants to play football, most games are going to be one score games. The 1-8 record is just our last 9 games when you remove teams that Iowa State is clearly better than: Ohio, SEMO, 2021 TCU (Breece Hall farewell tour), and 2021 Texas. For reference, we haven’t had a loss by more than one score since Iowa beat us by 10 points last season.

In summary, I don’t see the stat as anything other than we are on a bad streak right now against our equals, but we are still generally playing the type of game that we want to.
1-8 Matt agrees!
 

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You have probably heard ISU is 1-8 in our last 9 games decided by 7 points or less. And of course, we've lost 4 in a row. I did a quick search to see if any other P5 teams have as many close losses this season as we do:

Iowa State 4
Mizzou 3
Nebby 3
Iowa and many others 2

I found it interesting that us and our neighbors have struggled so much in close games. I don't think that's a coincidence. There is some similarity in style of play, but I think there is a refusal to quit as well. Midwestern stubbornness.

I'm pretty sure the list would pretty much look the same if you went back to the beginning of last season.
I’ve been thinking about the same thing and that led to my reflection on what happened yesterday that led to the unacceptable loss. Is there anyone who believes that two unforced mistakes by our key guys would have resulted in a solid W had those mistakes not happened? Dekkers throwing to X when he was double (maybe triple) covered and X loosing his balance and then dropping the ball late in the game were the difference makers. Didn't MC have a focus on eliminating our own mistakes in the past? How many of our own mistakes in the 4 games we’ve lost could have resulted in wins had those mistakes not happened? Dropped passes, false starts at key times in a drive, INTs, etc.?
 

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Our coaches deserve both praise and blame for this streak we are on. They play up or down to the level of competition. But they don't ever give up when we fall behind (which has been an all too often occurrence).

I feel like not talking about it or pretending everything is hunky dory hasn't helped and won't help going forward. There have been success stories by other teams that have faced similar situations. Baylor lost a lot of close games in their 2-7 season in 2020.
 

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Whether you agree with it or not, with the way Iowa State wants to play football, most games are going to be one score games. The 1-8 record is just our last 9 games when you remove teams that Iowa State is clearly better than: Ohio, SEMO, 2021 TCU (Breece Hall farewell tour), and 2021 Texas. For reference, we haven’t had a loss by more than one score since Iowa beat us by 10 points last season.

In summary, I don’t see the stat as anything other than we are on a bad streak right now against our equals, but we are still generally playing the type of game that we want to.

I completely agree with this but if that’s the style of football you want to play you have to be great on special teams and the turnover margin. Two things we have sucked at under Campbell.
 

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There are two ways to look at close games. The first is that the team/coaches don't know how to win. The second is that the team/coaches over perform and make games closer than they should.

Our losses are a combination of both of these. Yesterday was clearly the 2nd reason though. No one on here thought we were going to win. We played our asses off and didn't quite get it done. That's all.
 

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This is funny. I made a response regarding close loses and how perhaps it should be a new column since we don't have ties anymore. Anything less than a 10-point defeat counts as a close lose in the new column (W-L-CL)

So, for this season Iowa State is: 3-0-4<<<<<<Yes that looks better, doesn't it make us feel better?

Here is the original thread, scroll down to the video in the thread and you will see a very pretty bar chart where another member graphically displayed how Campbell is the best coach for Iowa State in the 21st century because he doesn't have any blow out loses:


You will see the video is from the Iowa State-Oklahoma game in 1984. I consider that the ultimate defining close lose, where under the lights at Jack Trice in the first night game Iowa State only lost to then national powerhouse Oklahoma by a score of 12-10. I remember Cyclone fans in the mid 80s saying how amazing it was we almost defeated Oklahoma.

The very next year in 1985 we almost defeated national powerhouse football program Drake at Jack Trice in another close lose, 20-17. Drake didn't even field a football team the following year and dropped to Division III status the year after that.

I really liked the mentality of Matt Campbell in 2017. The comment that bulls--t programs care about 6-6 was remarkable. I thought he was pretty clear that the objective was the W-L column at the end of the season.

When you win games, you don't quantify if it was a close win or not. The game is won or lost depending on which team makes more plays in all phases of the game. The game is a blow out when one team makes few to no mistakes and seizes 75 percent or more of the opportunities. Every single play, every down and every moment is crucial. I can't stand it when announcers say only a certain third down or key play is crucial because it is late in the 4th quarter in a close score game. All the plays that led up to that moment are just as important.

The prevailing attitude seems to be that either we have someone who keeps us in close games or we will have someone where we have a lot of blow out losses. The reality is that if that is what we think, than that is exactly what we will get. Almost good enough becomes good enough. The irony is you end up getting exactly what you sought to avoid in the first place.

I'll leave you with some examples of the close loss/it is good enough culture and results:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Duncan
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Prohm

Finally, the example that it can be done at Iowa State and consistently:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earle_Bruce

This is not a post to insult the OP, the coaches or players. I will never call anyone out because I know they are giving their best and I think all of us here care a lot about Iowa State. Games are won or lost because you have a good game plan and you make the plays needed to win. This is just a simple summary on the reality of achievement motivation. It all starts with a vision of what is acceptable.
 

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This is funny. I made a response regarding close loses and how perhaps it should be a new column since we don't have ties anymore. Anything less than a 10-point defeat counts as a close lose in the new column (W-L-CL)

So, for this season Iowa State is: 3-0-4<<<<<<Yes that looks better, doesn't it make us feel better?

Here is the original thread, scroll down to the video in the thread and you will see a very pretty bar chart where another member graphically displayed how Campbell is the best coach for Iowa State in the 21st century because he doesn't have any blow out loses:


You will see the video is from the Iowa State-Oklahoma game in 1984. I consider that the ultimate defining close lose, where under the lights at Jack Trice in the first night game Iowa State only lost to then national powerhouse Oklahoma by a score of 12-10. I remember Cyclone fans in the mid 80s saying how amazing it was we almost defeated Oklahoma.

The very next year in 1985 we almost defeated national powerhouse football program Drake at Jack Trice in another close lose, 20-17. Drake didn't even field a football team the following year and dropped to Division III status the year after that.

I really liked the mentality of Matt Campbell in 2017. The comment that bulls--t programs care about 6-6 was remarkable. I thought he was pretty clear that the objective was the W-L column at the end of the season.

When you win games, you don't quantify if it was a close win or not. The game is won or lost depending on which team makes more plays in all phases of the game. The game is a blow out when one team makes few to no mistakes and seizes 75 percent or more of the opportunities. Every single play, every down and every moment is crucial. I can't stand it when announcers say only a certain third down or key play is crucial because it is late in the 4th quarter in a close score game. All the plays that led up to that moment are just as important.

The prevailing attitude seems to be that either we have someone who keeps us in close games or we will have someone where we have a lot of blow out losses. The reality is that if that is what we think, than that is exactly what we will get. Almost good enough becomes good enough. The irony is you end up getting exactly what you sought to avoid in the first place.

I'll leave you with some examples of the close loss/it is good enough culture and results:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Duncan
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Prohm

Finally, the example that it can be done at Iowa State and consistently:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earle_Bruce

This is not a post to insult the OP, the coaches or players. I will never call anyone out because I know they are giving their best and I think all of us here care a lot about Iowa State. Games are won or lost because you have a good game plan and you make the plays needed to win. This is just a simple summary on the reality of achievement motivation. It all starts with a vision of what is acceptable.
Hint....1-8 isn't acceptable.