***Official ISU vs Texas Meltdown Thread***

[Lineup]

I like CMC's emotion, way better than the gum-chewing family that coaches Iowa.

I like Matt WELLS reactions

 

[Jer]

I’ll take the loss and move on, no hard feelings.

I just feel like when the whole concept is to run the clock to limit possessions and keep games low scoring and close, executing in the margins is critical. In the last 9 close games we’re 1-8 in those. If we win in the margins in any of them it doesn’t matter what the refs do with the possible exception of the Texas game.

Because of how we want to play, reffing has an oversized impact on any given game. The fix is to actually win in the margins and/or do more on offense which we saw for the first time this weekend.

 

[IASTATE07]

So I can’t name podcasts but I do follow lots of sports personalities on social media who have commented on Iowa State getting screwed. Hell, even Saturday we had John Kurtz from KState who agreed we got hosed.

Nick Osen from 247 also tweeted out something along the lines of ISU not getting favorable calls since he’s taken the job, and he’s actually quite unbiased in covering us.

I'm looking for podcasts that talk about us always blaming officials. Apparently we have a national reputation for it.

 

[LtRaczack]

I’ll take the loss and move on, no hard feelings.

I just feel like when the whole concept is to run the clock to limit possessions and keep games low scoring and close, executing in the margins is critical. In the last 9 close games we’re 1-8 in those. If we win in the margins in any of them it doesn’t matter what the refs do with the possible exception of the Texas game.

Because of how we want to play, reffing has an oversized impact on any given game. The fix is to actually win in the margins and/or do more on offense which we saw for the first time this weekend.

I agree, a two touchdown or plus difference suddenly takes all the pressure off requiring every favorable call or every single play being decisive.

 

[CascadeClone]

I would buy him a beer.

He is underage.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Campbell's reaction to bad calls goes a long way explaining why the team has difficulty overcoming them. As a fan I react the same way but a coach needs to be a step ahead.

He never used to react to them. It’s a recent thing and only been on egregious ones where they don’t give a realistic answer.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

It doesn’t have to be either or for God sakes lol. I can say that we made absolutely critical mistakes and had we not made them we likely win. I can also say in spite of all that, if the officials make the correct call, we likely win.

What are you talking about?

Did you not understand the point of my post to Jeremy?

Yes.........ISU fans b**** a lot. But I think one might give us a little rope on that because of the actual events in the past being true via apology letters from the conference. It can be a touchy subject if things don't quite look straight for ISU fans (Baylor-Texas games).

I was in no way debating both can or cannot be true in the same game.

 

[t-noah]

The rule is inconsistent even within the same game, let across CFB. But people seem to think there is some grand conspiracy against ISU and there isn’t. This fan base already has a national reputation of blaming every game on refs and constantly rehashing the Baylor and Texas games for the next 9 months is only going to further that perception. It looks petty.

Yup, bad calls suck, it they happen in every game and have been a part of football for over 100 years.

Your opinions often moderate mine when I start going over the edge. I don't feel I, or "most" of us have gone over the edge when it comes to complaining.

All fan bases complain about stuff. I guess that's part of being an fan. I was just about to the point of shutting it down (posting as much, etc.) just before the TX game, due to apathy. We were that bad (offensively and play calling). After this week, I have hope again.

There are a few complainers that are over the top. It often creates more interest though and widens a POV, even though sometimes distasteful. Didn't you start CF with grassroots complaining, essentially? I don't remember the full history.

As far as "grand conspiracy" by the refs, against us, probably not. But you have to admit, there have been some real doozies, in both FB and BB, over the years. Calls that were pretty bad, way off! I was thinking of 4-5 others, off the top of my head (no pun intended) during this possible targeting no-call against Hunter.

So yeah, we need to be careful not to overdo it. But my word, when bad calls are made, I fully expect a reaction from Cyclone fans.

 

[Jer]

Your opinions often moderate mine when I start going over the edge. I don't feel I, or "most" of us have gone over the edge when it comes to complaining.

All fan bases complain about stuff. I guess that's part of being an fan. I was just about to the point of shutting it down (posting as much, etc.) just before the TX game, due to apathy. We were that bad (offensively and play calling). After this week, I have hope again.

There are a few complainers that are over the top. It often creates more interest though and widens a POV, even though sometimes distasteful. Didn't you start CF with grassroots complaining, essentially? I don't remember the full history.

As far as "grand conspiracy" by the refs, against us, probably not. But you have to admit, there have been some real doozies, in both FB and BB, over the years. Calls that were pretty bad, way off! I was thinking of 4-5 others, off the top of my head (no pun intended) during this possible targeting no-call against Hunter.

So yeah, we need to be careful not to overdo it. But my word, when bad calls are made, I fully expect a reaction from Cyclone fans.

Spot on. And you are correct, that’s exactly what and why I started this place for. I’m just letting my frustration get to me like so many others. I did like the progress this week but it almost hurts more because I think the changes made were the same ones asked for a long time ago. But better late than never.

We have some difficult matchups coming up so I’m hopeful we can continue to grow. Personally I’m not worried about a bowl game, I just want to see continued growth each game and especially in positions I think we have a ton of questions about for next year. WR, TE, possibly RB, etc.

 

[t-noah]

It just comes down to mistakes. We make too many. And as a result every bad call is game changing.

Pick in the end zone, dropped passes, blocked punt etc

The guys gave it all they had, and showed great improvement, why it took till the middle of October to put together a reasonable offense attack, I have no idea. but when every game you play is almost guaranteed to be a coin flip, you can’t make those mistakes.

That’s true, but the strategy of playing to keep the score close and hope for a chance at the end also plays into it. When that’s your strategy, every mistake and every bad call looms larger.

Perhaps we are evolving into a team that tries to score as much as possible and as often as possible, with urgency. You know, before the other team does the same to you! That might be nice.

I'm being sarcastic. I can see a strategy to try keep the score close. And maybe that helps with some of the better teams. Play field position, let your defense help keep you in the game.

But what took us so long this year, offensively? Good question. I say we shouldn't try to go toe to toe always with the stronger teams. Mix it up and play with tempo. Play to the players strength. Be innovative and unpredictable. That is a must.

The defense has shown they can do it, be good with consistency. Now it is the offenses turn. It was a nice improvement Saturday. By next season, more change needs to be made for us to keep up in our conference. If that involves the same coaches, so be it, but we have to do better.

Yes, and I think our mistakes, or bad officiating, will be minimized if we play with tempo, creativity and score some points!

 

[Cfinnerty16]

I'm looking for podcasts that talk about us always blaming officials. Apparently we have a national reputation for it.

I see Cover 3 podcast and Unnecessary Roughness continuously say that ISU got hosed and should've won. Cover 3 podcast during the Baylor game were commenting how terrible the reffing was in that game.
Brandon Walker also tweeted out the bs calls against us in that game, he also recently tweeted about the Texas game how we got hosed.

 

[t-noah]

I see Cover 3 podcast and Unnecessary Roughness continuously say that ISU got hosed and should've won. Cover 3 podcast during the Baylor game were commenting how terrible the reffing was in that game.
Brandon Walker also tweeted out the bs calls against us in that game, he also recently tweeted about the Texas game how we got hosed.

We are hosers!

 

[t-noah]

Spot on. And you are correct, that’s exactly what and why I started this place for. I’m just letting my frustration get to me like so many others. I did like the progress this week but it almost hurts more because I think the changes made were the same ones asked for a long time ago. But better late than never.

We have some difficult matchups coming up so I’m hopeful we can continue to grow. Personally I’m not worried about a bowl game, I just want to see continued growth each game and especially in positions I think we have a ton of questions about for next year. WR, TE, possibly RB, etc.

Dude, calm down. I simply stated my opinion like everybody else here. Some people like to think because I created the place that somehow I’m trying to use some moral ground. Or because I argue from a place of not rose colored glasses that I’m trying to be better than others. That’s just dumb and a way for people to continue their them vs the world view.

I’m simply saying that SOME people like to blame all close losses on the refs. Not everybody and yes others in other fanbases do that too, but when we’ve earned a reputation for it, it’s probably others beyond me that have that opinion.

My feeling is that if I can be nice to you, get you to agree with me once in a while, I will have you in my corner. Then, when CW or the moderators want to ban me for something stupid I said, I will have you on my side to bail me out!

I got this all figured out!

Actually I wanted to say again, you've got some good opinions and takes, and I like hearing from you, reading your posts. You are a fan like everybody else! You also help to stimulate CF traffic.

It's just that you are MY fan now! Haha!

p.s., please don't ban me!!

 

[ScottyP]

I haven't read through this thread to see if there were any updates on the health status of Dekkers. Hopefully he is okay after being shaken up on that hit at the end of the game.

 

[t-noah]

There were two egregious calls/no calls. First was the roughing. Just brutally horrible. Right after that was no call on blatant pass interference on ISU.

Do you re-call the game clock time on those? I'd like to go back and re-watch. Thx!

 

[jbhtexas]

I’ll take the loss and move on, no hard feelings.

I just feel like when the whole concept is to run the clock to limit possessions and keep games low scoring and close, executing in the margins is critical. In the last 9 close games we’re 1-8 in those. If we win in the margins in any of them it doesn’t matter what the refs do with the possible exception of the Texas game.

Because of how we want to play, reffing has an oversized impact on any given game. The fix is to actually win in the margins and/or do more on offense which we saw for the first time this weekend.

With the style that ISU plays and the lack of near-perfection in the margins, it's almost like ISU needs a certain number of favorable calls on offense to score enough points to win consistently. It's like when I'm watching the offense, I'm thinking we need a penalty here to get things moving. It sounds whacky, but I find myself thinking that often. Of course, those flags rarely get thrown...

 

[AuH2O]

Do you re-call the game clock time on those? I'd like to go back and re-watch. Thx!

Midway through the second quarter. Roughing penalty was terrible and converted a 3rd down on Texas’ first TD.

 

[t-noah]

It doesn’t have to be either or for God sakes lol. I can say that we made absolutely critical mistakes and had we not made them we likely win. I can also say in spite of all that, if the officials make the correct call, we likely win.

I call foul! It's either or brother. You can't have it both ways! Get off the fence!


Haha!
Edit: @Statefan10, I was trying to be funny here. Re-reading what I typed, I'm going, 'what was I trying to say here? Doesn't make any sense. Some of my posts are that way sometimes. Sorry!

 

[t-noah]

So what you are saying is the officials aren't very good and inconsistent in their calling and could easily catch mistakes with replay? Thanks for proving my point.

My main point behind all of this is that in both football and basketball we, the viewers can see things better from 1000 miles away than a lot of these referees and umpires. There are many reasons for this, but I don't understand why we don't utilize more technology to provide a better officiated game. It is absolutely possible.

Heck, you could even have juries deciding plays as fast as officials do right now. And if you say that the whole thing would slow down because their are infractions on every play. Then you have just proven my point again. The officials are having to pick and choose what is and what isn't worth calling on every play which is the definition of inconsistency.

For instance. I could have looked at the quarterback hit yesterday and replayed it twice before I had to call roughing the passer while sitting in the comfort of my home (or a back room at the stadium) It is easier to see that that hit was bang, bang, not driven to the ground using excessive force or purposefully rolling over on (or whatever stupid excuse they would have given if questioned) than some dude seeing it out the corner of his eye and assuming it "must have been bad" because they are watching the field and didn't see the whole combination of events from a good vantage point.

I believe there are ways to make this better and to get rid of some of the biases that individuals have by crowdsourcing. Go ahead and beat me up on this. But, I think it is a viable answer to the problem.

This might be part of an evolution in officiating.

I made a point last BB season about going back to two officials. That was shot down as not practical in today's game.

Then I remember suggesting the 3rd BB (basketball) official be a 'rookie' or a trainee, as they are now short of qualified refs; and that they use a 4th ref "in the booth" or "New York" or some studio, to immediately call plays that need replay or are called incorrectly.

I don't know where that suggestion went.

I think the time has come for 'in studio' officiating, in both FB and BB. The technology is there.

 

[t-noah]

That's not fair to show that clip. The angles were all wrong. Texas worked hard for that score and fully deserved to win that game.

Do I need the sarcasm jimlad?

Pretty disgusting. This was one of the preferential calls I was thinking about when Hunter got crushed in the head.