*** Official #8 Kansas vs #13 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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Somebody whining about an analysis without actually refuting the claims. It's not about whether I said it, you said it, or if Otz himself said it, the point was/is factual and true.

I love it when people suggest I email the coaching staff, or that I think I'm coaching material when I've never made such claims. The only thing I've reiterated is that BREs minutes, particularly in conference play, are unjustifiable. It doesn't necessarily take a coach to see the obvious.

The only explanation I can come up with is that the staff is blinded by the effort and practice work. If that's the case it wouldn't be the first (nor the last) time that's happened in cbb.

You don't have to necessarily write the exact words "I think I'm coaching material" to show other posters that you quite clearly think very highly of yourself when it comes to your basketball knowledge.

Whether it's intentional and recognized by you or not, that sense of arrogance, plus your never-ending and vitriolic critique of everything and anything to do with Rob Jones, makes your whole approach just very off-putting.
 

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We started out the season terribly, with the UConn game being a rebounding low point for the season. Since conference play we have been excellent as a team outside of spurts, the 2nd half against Tech being one such (pathetic) stretch.
Trying to forget tech, but I'd never use pathetic to describe this team no matter. It's a respect thing. Picking up slams from the wife and bedroom performance maybe?
 

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My perception is that Osun’s playing time sweet spot is a result of his ability to get in foul trouble early. TJ needs him available at crunch time in the last ten minutes of the game without being saddled with 4 fouls. The staff knows that Jones is limited offensively but obviously has given him a green light to attack the basket. Part of that strategy is to draw fouls from the opponents Bigs.
 

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Trying to forget tech, but I'd never use pathetic to describe this team no matter. It's a respect thing. Picking up slams from the wife and bedroom performance maybe?

Sorry, but I think most would characterize 7 OR and 21 total rebounds (us) vs 21 OR and 48 total rebounds as a pathetic performance. If you had watched that game you'd realize it felt worse than these numbers even indicate. We were completely obliterated on the boards.

If someone would have told me we'd become a good rebounding team (at that point) I would have laughed in their face. Yet here we are, midway through the toughest conference in basketball's season, and we are just that.

It's a big reason for us being a really good basketball team.
 

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Trying to forget tech, but I'd never use pathetic to describe this team no matter. It's a respect thing. Picking up slams from the wife and bedroom performance maybe?
Tech was a perfect storm of poor shooting, poor defense (I literally think we had no forced turnovers in the 2nd half), Lipsey playing a very irregular bad game, and the refs calling every ticky tack foul which for the most part all season they have let the teams play. It happens, the good news is that game was the exception and not the norm for this team.
 

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My perception is that Osun’s playing time sweet spot is a result of his ability to get in foul trouble early. TJ needs him available at crunch time in the last ten minutes of the game without being saddled with 4 fouls. The staff knows that Jones is limited offensively but obviously has given him a green light to attack the basket. Part of that strategy is to draw fouls from the opponents Bigs.

That was an issue earlier in the year but has rarely been an issue in conference play. He had 4 fouls yesterday but most came in the 2nd half and likely didn't impact (much) of his minutes.

In fact, there have been several conference games where he ended the game with 1 or 2 fouls. When he's being effective and if he's not in foul trouble, his minutes should be stretched. I've literally never seen an upper classman have minutes this limited that wasn't overly big/large. Not sure why we havent been able to stretch him to 30 mins a game, when fouls allow.

But yes, if he is in foul trouble we need to make sure BRE isn't in the game in a must foul situation. In theory the return of Kunc and a willingness to put King at the 5 should alleviate that, but that strategy has yet to be seen.
 

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Sorry, but I think most would characterize 7 OR and 21 total rebounds (us) vs 21 OR and 48 total rebounds as a pathetic performance. If you had watched that game you'd realize it felt worse than these numbers even indicate. We were completely obliterated on the boards.

If someone would have told me we'd become a good rebounding team (at that point) I would have laughed in their face. Yet here we are, midway through the toughest conference in basketball's season, and we are just that.

It's a big reason for us being a really good basketball team.
**** happens..we just beat KU. I watched the OSU game and rebounding wasn't the biggest issue..TO's were and an officiating crew that decided to blow the whistle on us everytime contact was made. All of our players were in foul trouble standing around so they didn't get their 5th. Bad half of play, but I'm enjoying this team and season and not going to insult anyone. You do!
 
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Agree. And I don't understand some of our fans dogging on him. He's an effort guy, sets the tone and culture TJ wants, we need him, gets rewarded with court time, we need him. Did I mention, we need him?

TJ let coach. I say the bitiching has reached its quota.
His steal followed by his bucket on the other end was an excellent defensive-offensive series for him and the team. I enjoyed watching him play in person yesterday (only my 2nd game of the year to see in person). No complaints!
 

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Tech was a perfect storm of poor shooting, poor defense (I literally think we had no forced turnovers in the 2nd half), Lipsey playing a very irregular bad game, and the refs calling every ticky tack foul which for the most part all season they have let the teams play. It happens, the good news is that game was the exception and not the norm for this team.

They also took BRE to the woodshed, much like Mizzou did. Every time BRE was in the game they were isolating him at the top of the key and blowing right by him. This initiated a defensive breakdown that was further exacerbated by fouls. King should have been on the floor, but the staff was willing to die with BRE and Lipsey out there.

Your above reasons are valid but we can't control the referees. The staff was the biggest reason for the loss as they failed to alter the manageable aspects of the game. Lipsey should have been taken out and BRE should have been on the bench. Those two things happen we likely win, and do so comfortably.
 
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**** happens..we just beat KU. I watched the OSU game and rebounding wasn't the biggest issue..TO's were and an officiating crew that decided to blow the whistle on us everytime contact was made. All of our players were in foul trouble standing around so they didn't get their 5th. Bad half of play, but I'm enjoying this team and season and not going to insult anyone. You do!

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This KU team might be the worst i can remember.
Missing the perennial NBA big inside. And a guy like Yesufu wouldnt have made their scout team in the past.
They are still top 25, but man coach, this aint your fathers jayhawks...
I was shocked at how average they seemed.
# 10 is all of that and a shot of whiskey.
The rest of the team...

Let's Go State!
 
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Wasn't able to log in to post much today. Am surprised a GameDay thread for a KU game didn't hit 1k posts. Guess that's what happens when you control a game start to finish without a lot of controversy. 2 things you pretty much never get when these teams matchup
We can only ***** about Rob Jones so much.
 
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He really doesn’t rebound that effectively. Look I realize many here don’t want to discredit a guy on the team, but he’s an issue on offense. No way to defend that. Any time he gets the ball down low, it’s essentially a turnover

His guy rarely gets an offensive rebound. Keeping his guy off the board and letting others snare the rebound is rebounding effectively.

You saying he doesn't rebound effectively would be like me saying he's above average post up player.

You also can't really judge our defense on normal defensive efficiency metrics. No way can the account for being in the right spots at the right time.
 

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But with Jaz back does TJ cut Jones's minutes back to 4-7 a game? Jaz was leading the team in rebounding before he was hurt, and while Osun has been coming on, I for one would like to see him on the floor more and Jones less. Even move Jaz out to play the 4 position and leave Osun on the floor at the five, to give the someone a break.
Depends on the team I assume. Probably don't want Jaz guarding Lampkin from TCU or Cisse and the other guy from ISU too much.
 

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Sorry, but I think most would characterize 7 OR and 21 total rebounds (us) vs 21 OR and 48 total rebounds as a pathetic performance. If you had watched that game you'd realize it felt worse than these numbers even indicate. We were completely obliterated on the boards.

If someone would have told me we'd become a good rebounding team (at that point) I would have laughed in their face. Yet here we are, midway through the toughest conference in basketball's season, and we are just that.

It's a big reason for us being a really good basketball team.
I guess we will be undefeated and win the national title if we don’t play Jones anymore