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It always comes down to OL play. Sure having guys like Purdy and Hall mask some of the issues with a bad line, but in the end, if you can't run and you can't protect the QB you are going to be really inconsistent on offense, which ISU was last year.

Bingo! We won’t be any better unless the OL is quite a bit better than last year.
 

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It always comes down to OL play. Sure having guys like Purdy and Hall mask some of the issues with a bad line, but in the end, if you can't run and you can't protect the QB you are going to be really inconsistent on offense, which ISU was last year.

'Inconsistent' is a nice way of putting it.
 

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If Campbell won't continue to evolve and get better as a coach...then that's on him. BUT...I think he will. We'll see.
 

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I get that this is coach speak, but scheme was most definitely part of the problem last year. Not the whole problem, sure. But it absolutely cost us
Eh not necessarily. Any scheme can work. It just comes down to if you have the players for the scheme, and obviously execution. Play calling is also a major factor.
 

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If Campbell won't continue to evolve and get better as a coach...then that's on him. BUT...I think he will. We'll see.
He will, he's already gotten a really strong O line coach.

Regarding Nate S, I do feel he lets Scheelhaase put his imprints all over the offense. If Scheehaase didn't have the freedom to do this I don't think he'd still be here, like why take a power 5 OC job if you can't have some latitude.
 

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Think Nate is going to be great, hope he is with us for awhile. Since he is a elite former QB, hope he is able to get Hunter to read the field, and throw people open quicker. Think DCs in the league are going to continue to bring 5 or 6 until we are able to do that, even if the OL improves; we will gain some holding calls and have the ball thrown at receivers feet unless we are able to get it out in pressure. Think Nate will be able to help with his coaching of QBs.
 

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He will, he's already gotten a really strong O line coach.

Regarding Nate S, I do feel he lets Scheelhaase put his imprints all over the offense. If Scheehaase didn't have the freedom to do this I don't think he'd still be here, like why take a power 5 OC job if you can't have some latitude.
the thing that always bothers me is he had a great Oline coach. While Manning definitely wasn't a star at OC he was a Top 5 OL coach. I just don't know how the issues with this position group weren't seen by Manning. He sees those kids every day in some capacity.
 

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I’m still excited to see where the offense goes this year. I didn’t expect any big changes in the philosophy or scheme, which I think is fine.

Hopefully we just see upgraded o-line play along with more creativity and awareness with the play calling. Those two things I believe could make a huge difference while not making big changes to the scheme and philosophy.

We were never going to go full spread style. Having said all that if we run more delayed handoffs out of shotgun on the 1-2 yard line my head might explode.
 

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I’m still excited to see where the offense goes this year. I didn’t expect any big changes in the philosophy or scheme, which I think is fine.

Hopefully we just see upgraded o-line play along with more creativity and awareness with the play calling. Those two things I believe could make a huge difference while not making big changes to the scheme and philosophy.

We were never going to go full spread style. Having said all that if we run more delayed handoffs out of shotgun on the 1-2 yard line my head might explode.
Or the same delayed handoff on every first down, especially if they just had a chunk play. Monty and Hall made it work, but you're not always gonna have tackle-breaking savants that become NFL workhorses to rely on. Gotta be more creative in the running game, IMO.
 

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Exactly, nor should it. Return to the run first offense with a cohesive offensive line. Use the tight ends etc. Execute Execute Execute
Don't disagree with all those points. And Coach Campbell really stressed consistency of results in his press conference.

But lacking last year was explosive plays. At the P5 level it is hard to be a solid offense or defense without momentum plays.

On offense that doesn't always mean 40 or 50 yard passes or runs. It's more plays of the 15-25 yard distance. Instead of relying on 12 play scoring drives, getting it done in 5-6 plays.

On defense it comes down to pressuring the QB to make bad decisions, getting sacks and creating turnovers.