What do you think of Caitlin Clark?

What is your perspective about Caitlin Clark?

  • Team Steph. I am at least somewhat supportive of her because she is so good for women's sports.

    Votes: 128 33.7%
  • Team Alisa. I don't care about Caitlin Clark because she is a Hokeye.

    Votes: 232 61.1%
  • Team Steph/Alisa. Please explain how you reconcile these two apparently mutually exclusive options.

    Votes: 20 5.3%

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tavrncy

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That makes way more sense. Glad I didn’t comment on Twitter without knowing these facts.
Do athletic departments and fans really lose patience for women’s bball when they are consistently making the post season though? Fran hasn’t made a single sweet 16 and it seems the fanbase is pretty much 50/50 on keep or fire.

Probably depends on the school. Iowa has some basketball history and I think wants to be good in it to some extent (and always had pretty solid fan and booster support but nothing like it is now). I don't think the program was like a super high priority though, especially once they stopped having a separate AD for women's sports, which I'm sure helped her. There was some grumbling but nothing like you see with Fran.
 

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I really want to roast this headline but I don’t pay for athletic and it wouldn’t be fair. I’ll do it here though.
Longevity made Iowa a winner? She made the post season 6 times before her first and only losing season.
Loyalty? She’s at Iowa. What other opportunities does she have that aren’t a lateral move? There is UCONN and maybe 1 or 2 that would be considered an upgrade.
Not denying she’s a great coach. Just seems like a bad thesis. I’d say it’s in state talent and the state of Iowa’s overall support for women’s athletics that make Iowa team’s successful.


I am not a fan of Dochterman, at all. I think he's just another Hawk hack beat writer. I dropped the Athlete because they dropped his **** into my feed as a Cyclone fan the subscription termination came after his CyHawk game preview filled with mocking of ISU that could have just as well been replaced by a transcript of a drunk tavernhawk. Now my NY Time subscription allows we to read the Athletic so I do, maybe an article a month at the most.

With the above said, this wasn't a bad article at all and actually pretty good considering Dochterman usual boot licking garbage. Not sure why he thought adding "loyalty" into the headline was a good take but the word is not used at all in the article but I guess Dochterman is still Dochterman even while writing a human interest story that's more of a biographical piece with anecdotes. Guess you could make the "loyalty" connection (based on the content of the article) with Jensen's loyalty to her, her loyalty to the state and her players loyalty to her or something along those lines. Longevity is legit since only a handful of P5 coaches have been at the same spot as long like she and Fennelly have. And there is the longevity in the state of Iowa, played HS in Marion, played college here and has coached her entire career within state, not even been an assistant anywhere else (hell, was never an assistant at all).
 
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yowza

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Nah. MBB is called so differently from WBB, defenders are allowed to be way more physical than in WBB, she'd never be able to adapt, plus she's barely 6' tall, her shots would be getting blocked left and right.
Still have to guard her much further out or she is gonna shoot.
 

ISUTex

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Depending on who you ask in here she doesn't have that now but she made her first two sweet 16s and first elite 8 before Clark was there (first sweet 16 was also before Gustafson). But yes obviously that helps a lot. She still had to recruit her to Iowa which wasn't always easy with top in state players

Was Clark a life long hawkeye fan?
 
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ISUTex

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They would have to have someone out on her and she passes better than anyone else on the men's team.

You think she could get those passes or shots off against 6-2 to 6'11 male div 1 players who see passes like that every day? I don't think people realize the difference in size, speed, strength and quickness. What would be fun would be to magically put Clark's shooting touch, competitive drive, and basketball IQ into a 6'6-6'7ish male div 1 basketball player. That would be scary.
 

yowza

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You think she could get those passes or shots off against 6-2 to 6'11 male div 1 players who see passes like that every day? I don't think people realize the difference in size, speed, strength and quickness. What would be fun would be to magically put Clark's shooting touch, competitive drive, and basketball IQ into a 6'6-6'7ish male div 1 basketball player. That would be scary.
Just saying typically you don't need to be right up on someone that far out.
 

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If I'm Lisa Bluder, I would be asking CC if she plans on staying for 1 or 2 more years. When I get the answer I start making retirement plans. Bluder is 61 and will be 62 or 63 when CC leaves. It's never going to be any better than what it is with CC. Sounds like a great time to ride off into the sunset when CC leaves.
 

Three4Cy

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The history and support in comparison are better than Iowas over the last 10-15 years.
Michigan State and Indiana COMBINED - 27 NCAA tourneys
Iowa - 29 NCAA tourneys


Attendance and NCAA Rank (NCAA only reports top 50)
2012-2013#10 MSU / 6352#19 Iowa / 4567NR Indiana / 2157
2013-2014#7 MSU / 7145#22 Iowa / 4395#44 Indiana / 2723
2014-2015#10 MSU / 6119#14 Iowa / 5301#46 Indiana / 2617
2015-2016#7 MSU / 6561#20 Iowa / 4668#38 Indiana / 2894
2016-2017#8 MSU / 6011#19 Iowa / 4395#37 Indiana / 2955
2017-2018#10 MSU / 5689#13 Iowa / 5452#23 Indiana / 4102
2018-2019#9 Iowa / 6797#15 MSU / 5496#25 Indiana / 3920
2019-2020#10 Iowa / 7102#16 MSU / 5341#23 Indiana / 4025
2020-2021COVID
2021-2022#5 Iowa / 8224#13 Indiana / 4726#23 MSU / 3676
2022-2023Iowa / 11142Indiana / 7348MSU / 3691
10 year averageIowa / 6204 MSU / 5608Indiana / 3746

Michigan State is in a downward spiral, losing attendance five years in a row, and basically flat from 2021-2022 to 2022-2023. They lost an average of 1700 fans from 19-20 to 21-22. Indiana has only been a player for the last few years, and they are still nowhere close to Iowa's attendance.
 

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I am not a fan of Dochterman, at all. I think he's just another Hawk hack beat writer. I dropped the Athlete because they dropped his **** into my feed as a Cyclone fan the subscription termination came after his CyHawk game preview filled with mocking of ISU that could have just as well been replaced by a transcript of a drunk tavernhawk. Now my NY Time subscription allows we to read the Athletic so I do, maybe an article a month at the most.

With the above said, this wasn't a bad article at all and actually pretty good considering Dochterman usual boot licking garbage. Not sure why he thought adding "loyalty" into the headline was a good take but the word is not used at all in the article but I guess Dochterman is still Dochterman even while writing a human interest story that's more of a biographical piece with anecdotes. Guess you could make the "loyalty" connection (based on the content of the article) with Jensen's loyalty to her, her loyalty to the state and her players loyalty to her or something along those lines. Longevity is legit since only a handful of P5 coaches have been at the same spot as long like she and Fennelly have. And there is the longevity in the state of Iowa, played HS in Marion, played college here and has coached her entire career within state, not even been an assistant anywhere else (hell, was never an assistant at all).

It's because he's not drunk with stupidity about the womens program like he is about Fran ball.
 

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It's because he's not drunk with stupidity about the womens program like he is about Fran ball.
I think some of y'all are missing the point. Because Iowa was "patient" with Bluder maybe he is alluding that Iowa fans should be patient with Fran.
 
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Three4Cy

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If I'm Lisa Bluder, I would be asking CC if she plans on staying for 1 or 2 more years. When I get the answer I start making retirement plans. Bluder is 61 and will be 62 or 63 when CC leaves. It's never going to be any better than what it is with CC. Sounds like a great time to ride off into the sunset when CC leaves.
Bluder has 850 career wins; the big question for her is, does she stick around long enough to get to 1000?

I did see an article yesterday that Clark said the 5th year is still undecided. She said if selected to participate in the Olympic trials, that would impact her decision for a 5th year.
 

tavrncy

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If I'm Lisa Bluder, I would be asking CC if she plans on staying for 1 or 2 more years. When I get the answer I start making retirement plans. Bluder is 61 and will be 62 or 63 when CC leaves. It's never going to be any better than what it is with CC. Sounds like a great time to ride off into the sunset when CC leaves.

It'll be interesting to see if they hand it off to Jensen or try to bring Baranczyk home. I would definitely go for Baranczyk but could see them feeling like the owe Jensen because she's passed up head coaching jobs to stay. Assuming she even wants to be a head coach which she might not.
 
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