Hoiberg to Transfer to Iowa State???

[Sigmapolis]

Agree that the 75-76 must have been a worse team, but are you honestly saying as a fan you'd prefer the 75-76 season results over the 20-21 team?

I don't quite know what you're asking there.

I thought the discussion was about the worse team in school history and if it was the 20-21 team.

I agreed the 20-21 sucked but I'm not sure it lives down to some ancient 50s and 70s teams.

To extend a metaphor from earlier in the thread, I'm not trying to put lipstick on a pig. I'm trying to tell which of two ugly pigs is the ugliest. And SRS is a pretty straightforward way to do that and thankfully makes some adjustment for the incomparable schedules between the 1970s and the modern era.

Based on that... again, the 20-21 sucked... but it wasn't the most hapless in school history.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I should have copied the next column over in the original post --



The 20-21 team was bad, but it played a much more challenging schedule than those bad 70s teams.

Heck, it played one of the most difficult schedules in school history (this includes Big Eight/12 tournaments and the NCAA tournaments, so teams that advanced far in those postseason engagements will have their SOS rating pulled upwards by having extra games against high-quality opponents) --



Almost all of these have been since the modern Big 12 started its run of quality and dominance.

 

[clone52]

I don't quite know what you're asking there.

I thought the discussion was about the worse team in school history and if it was the 20-21 team.

I agreed the 20-21 sucked but I'm not sure it lives down to some ancient 50s and 70s teams.

To extend a metaphor from earlier in the thread, I'm not trying to put lipstick on a pig. I'm trying to tell which of two ugly pigs is the ugliest. And SRS is a pretty straightforward way to do that and thankfully makes some adjustment for the incomparable schedules between the 1970s and the modern era.

Based on that... again, the 20-21 sucked... but it wasn't the most hapless in school history.

Right, I changed it up. I said it was the worst team. When presented with evidence, I agree its not the worst team. However, I still contend that it was the worst season. I'd rather win 3 games against a weaker schedule than 2 games against a harder schedule.

Splitting hairs, though.

 

[EvilBetty]

Accuser's Dad was a big money donor. Rumor is he threatened to withhold money from the University if Bubu was allowed to play. So he was cleared and got back from suspension, then Leath overruled everyone.

That was so ****** up for bubu. He was more than solid as a role player and that situation really derailed his career. Had to hurt especially as a home town kid.

 

[Sparkplug]

By my calculations, Sam should be graduating High School soon. Are we in on him yet?

Sam is starting second year of eligibility. Was on Nebraska roster 2022-23

 

[t-noah]

Sam is starting second year of eligibility. Was on Nebraska roster 2022-23

I appreciate your honest reply. I was just kidding!! I knew he was at Neb.

I did think he was a little older though. I would have guessed he was at Neb at least 2, maybe 3 years. Wrong there.

Other than that, I don't don't anything about Sam. Would I take him if he wanted to walk on? Sure. I'll let others decide if he is worth a scholarship. He might be, I don't know.

 

[Drew0311]

Guessing Fred likes the nil era of recruiting. Just offer kids money and see who takes it and he don’t even need Matt

 

[t-noah]

I don't quite know what you're asking there.

I thought the discussion was about the worse team in school history and if it was the 20-21 team.

I agreed the 20-21 sucked but I'm not sure it lives down to some ancient 50s and 70s teams.

To extend a metaphor from earlier in the thread, I'm not trying to put lipstick on a pig. I'm trying to tell which of two ugly pigs is the ugliest. And SRS is a pretty straightforward way to do that and thankfully makes some adjustment for the incomparable schedules between the 1970s and the modern era.

Based on that... again, the 20-21 sucked... but it wasn't the most hapless in school history.

So, you are trying to spray paint a turd then. I get it.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Right, I changed it up. I said it was the worst team. When presented with evidence, I agree its not the worst team. However, I still contend that it was the worst season. I'd rather win 3 games against a weaker schedule than 2 games against a harder schedule.

Splitting hairs, though.

I think you’d have to ask somebody who watched both seasons, who would have to be at least in their 60s, to be sure. The 20-21 was bad but it’s in living memory for all of us. It’s the worst “modern” (anything from Johnny forward in time) season of basketball. But if it was a better “season” or not is pretty subjective. The SRS numbers don’t have a dog in the fight, and they’re pretty clear there have been worse teams back there in the mists of the past.

 

[madguy30]

I think you’d have to ask somebody who watched both seasons, who would have to be at least in their 60s, to be sure. The 20-21 was bad but it’s in living memory for all of us. It’s the worst “modern” (anything from Johnny forward in time) season of basketball. But if it was a better “season” or not is pretty subjective. The SRS numbers don’t have a dog in the fight, and they’re pretty clear there have been worse teams back there in the mists of the past.

The contexts of the two situations is intriguing.

Trickey got a bad/average program and then was bad and worse.

Prohm got a good program and swamped it two years after a tourney bid.

 

[clone52]

I think you’d have to ask somebody who watched both seasons, who would have to be at least in their 60s, to be sure. The 20-21 was bad but it’s in living memory for all of us. It’s the worst “modern” (anything from Johnny forward in time) season of basketball. But if it was a better “season” or not is pretty subjective. The SRS numbers don’t have a dog in the fight, and they’re pretty clear there have been worse teams back there in the mists of the past.

There is a clear difference between the better team and the better season.

It seems odd that you would prefer a winless season in a strong conference than a 3 win season against a weaker conference. Are you really saying you would enjoy the season more just because the team itself was better?

 

[Sigmapolis]

There is a clear difference between the better team and the better season.

It seems odd that you would prefer a winless season in a strong conference than a 3 win season against a weaker conference. Are you really saying you would enjoy the season more just because the team itself was better?

I was born in 1987. There’s a dozen variables that go into how good a season was. I don’t know the history well enough to make a judgment there. All I’ve got are a few numbers in a table on wins, losses, SRS, and SOS.

 

[VeloClone]

The contexts of the two situations is intriguing.

Trickey got a bad/average program and then was bad and worse.

Prohm got a good program and swamped it two years after a tourney bid.

The program was on an upswing with real momentum. Maury John was a savant who after making Drake into a national power (1969 Final Four, 1970 and '71 Elite Eight) took over a program that went 5-21 under Glen Anderson and turned it around to a winning program. There is no telling how far he would of taken it if disaster hadn't struck. **** cancer.

Ken Trickey immediately returned it to the dumpster.

 

[GoClone]

The 20-21 season was hapless and without an hope at all. Anyone and everyone had their way with them whenever they wanted.

The 75-76 team had Hercule Ivey, who was worth a watch in his own right. Much like Troy Davis in football, the team was relevant because of one player. You can not say that in any way shape or form about the 20-21 basketball team.

 

[Sigmapolis]

The 20-21 season was hapless and without an hope at all. Anyone and everyone had their way with them whenever they wanted.

The 75-76 team had Hercule Ivey, who was worth a watch in his own right. Much like Troy Davis in football, the team was relevant because of one player. You can not say that in any way shape or form about the 20-21 basketball team.

Their SRS is still worse.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Their SRS is still worse.

Stats aren't everything and don't tell the whole story.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Stats aren't everything and don't tell the whole story.

Neither is recency bias and the burning hatred of Prohm and that awful year (much was awful about it outside of Iowa State basketball, too) being in living memory and the 1970s being before many of us were born.

 

[isucy86]

Neither is recency bias and the burning hatred of Prohm and that awful year (much was awful about it outside of Iowa State basketball, too) being in living memory and the 1970s being before many of us were born.

That's why I like the scoreboard mantra, it doesn't lie. W & L's are a measure of a team. Going 0-18 in Big12 play speaks volumes. After all, those schools are our cohort.

Stats are useful in time, but across decades less meaningful. Roger Staubach won a Super Bowl throwing 10 passes in the game.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Neither is recency bias and the burning hatred of Prohm and that awful year (much was awful about it outside of Iowa State basketball, too) being in living memory and the 1970s being before many of us were born.

I find it much worse being that it's in the middle of the Golden age of ISU basketball. Not like before Johnny when we were nobody.

 

[jsb]

I find it much worse being that it's in the middle of the Golden age of ISU basketball. Not like before Johnny when we were nobody.

Honestly it was the perfect year to have a terrible year. It didn’t matter because of covid. None of us had to go to the games.