ISU Gambling Megathread

[Clark]

I think something is off with the number or he was placing bets for others.

Generally you have to win at a 55-60% clip to break even/win a little money in sports gambling because of the juice.

So, in order to have bet $45K he either would have needed to lose $45Kish or have won about $25K to have kept betting during the time period. Those are still really large amounts for one student, especially considering his background

Start with $100. Many apps give you free bets for signing up as well but we'll ignore that.

Bet $100, win $100 balance $200

Bet $100, lose balance $100

Bet $100, win...

and so on and so forth. Again, you don't need to have risked lots of money to get an amount that high but you would have to be good enough to have at least broke even. Not all bets have negative vigs, in fact unless you're always betting favorites or spreads, you'll have some bets that will give over 100% returns.

 

[CloneLawman]

Why? His Attorney is correct based on the Code of Iowa.

Not entirely. He's zealously advocating, which is good. But there may well be room for the charge.

Putting it on a bit thick to suggest that there are no circumstances under which the charge could fit here.

I'm not suggesting that the prosecution can't (or couldn't) use some prosecutorial discretion here, or that Tampering With Records had to be charged, but it might conceivably fit under the language of the statute and the cases thereunder. And that is so, even if I think it would be better policy not to charge it here.

 

[Cfinnerty16]

Start with $100. Many apps give you free bets for signing up as well but we'll ignore that.

Bet $100, win $100 balance $200

Bet $100, lose balance $100

Bet $100, win...

and so on and so forth. Again, you don't need to have risked lots of money to get an amount that high but you would have to be good enough to have at least broke even. Not all bets have negative vigs, in fact unless you're always betting favorites or spreads, you'll have some bets that will give over 100% returns.

Yeah these dollar amounts bet are REALLY misleading.
Example:
I deposit 5 dollars to get 150 dollars in free bets on Fanduel.
I bet and won quite a few bets. After 3 weeks of college football, I was around 240 dollars in my account.
I made small 5-10 dollars bets spread around for about a total of 100 dollars every week from that 240 and would break even pretty much every week.

Now I did that all the way through college basketball and then through college basketball and ended up +450 dollars from my original 5 dollars initially bet.

If you were to add up all my dollars bet for wins and losses, even though I was breaking even every week, It would easily be 3000+ dollars bet, even though I never bet more than 5 dollars of my money.

 

[mitchforcy]

Or the SEC

Blum was right about being poached by the SEC. Maybe we just were thinking about the wrong SEC.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

 

[VoiceOfReason]

I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I am in agreement some of it is on CMC. But CMC didnt miss 50% of his kicks that were longer than 30 yards, nor did he drop passes at crucial times, or accrue us all those false starts in the red zone. Now, he is responsible for the absolute garbage ST we have had since hes been here, he hired his friends to be the OC and the OL coach. So yes, he should be held responsible for some of it. Additionally, I believe I said CMC was forced to make changes. No way does he fire his bff's if they go 6-6. My original statement stands. We had the 4th youngest team, and one of the toughest schedules. They have made the right moves this offseason, including another decent recruiting class which CMC should be given some credit for. Now, if they go 4-8 again, Ill be the first one calling for his head. I just dont believe they are that bad again

Yeah, I don't really think our opinions are that far off honestly. The problem with picking nits on individual player errors is he picks the players on the team (obviously within reason), coaches them, puts the gameplan together (or at least oversees its creation), makes all the in-game decisions, and is, for all intents and purposes, the CEO of the team. I agree that a lot of the things you listed aren't his fault in a vacuum, but when they continue to happen over and over and over again, it stops becoming fair to blame individual players (as you alluded to with the ST struggles).

Manning should have been fired at least a year earlier, but CMC didn't want to lose his bestie. If we're going to solely blame Manning for the offensive struggled, we shouldn't give CMC any credit for the defensive production. That credit should go to Heacock, who is clearly the gem of an, in my opinion, otherwise lackluster coaching staff.

 

[Jer]

Rece may be a douche but that's funny AF.

 

[GMackey32]

Rece may be a douche but that's funny AF.

Agreed. I laughed really hard at it.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Start with $100. Many apps give you free bets for signing up as well but we'll ignore that.

Bet $100, win $100 balance $200

Bet $100, lose balance $100

Bet $100, win...

and so on and so forth. Again, you don't need to have risked lots of money to get an amount that high but you would have to be good enough to have at least broke even. Not all bets have negative vigs, in fact unless you're always betting favorites or spreads, you'll have some bets that will give over 100% returns.

Right. Bu they said he wagered $45K. So, in your example he wagered $300. If he’s only betting in those increments, he’d have to make a LOT of bets. You make a good point on some bets have great returns, but those are generally losers.

IMO, to have wagered $45K over the time period, he would have had to put up $25K+ of real money (not just winnings), because it isn’t realistic to think he was a good enough bettor to be able to wager $45K with a small bankroll (no one is).

That’s why I think a.) those numbers are wrong b.) he’s making bets for others or c.) he’s got a sugar mama somewhere to have that kind of cash on hand.

 

[Cfinnerty16]

Right. Bu they said he wagered $45K. So, in your example he wagered $300. If he’s only betting in those increments, he’d have to make a LOT of bets. You make a good point on some bets have great returns, but those are generally losers.

IMO, to have wagered $45K over the time period, he would have had to put up $25K+ of real money (not just winnings), because it isn’t realistic to think he was a good enough bettor to be able to wager $45K with a small bankroll (no one is).

That’s why I think a.) those numbers are wrong b.) he’s making bets for others or c.) he’s got a sugar mama somewhere to have that kind of cash on hand.

See my example above. I bet 5 dollars, ended up making 450, and total amount bet from breaking even a lot was 3000+ dollars.
And Im not a good gambler. So lets take my 155 starting amount (5 dollars of my own money, 150 free bets from Fanduel)

My total amount bets is 26x the amount I originally started with.

Lets take Enyi's divided by 26, 1730 dollars. He bet 801 times. If he broke even on like half of those bets its easy to see how his total amount bet is at 45K

 

[Jim Walden’s Follies]

To be completely honest, I am having a hard time drumming up too much excitement in my bones about this, either way.

It's a huge bummer that Dekkers threw away his career to bet on $10 on games where he probably wasn't even winning at a ridiculous clip. It's pretty wild that his parents seemingly encouraged him, or at the very least helped him get the account setup and access it while he was playing. It's just a series of really bad decisions from people that are a special combination of ignorant, arrogant, and/or delusional.

That being said, I don't think any of us were thrilled to watch another season of ISU football with Dekkers at the helm. He was a major part of the last-place Big 12 finish last season. Also, I am not personally sold on CMC. Whether you agree with me or not, you can't deny that it seem like we're staring down the barrel of back-to-back last-place Big 12 finishes in years seven and eight of Campbell's tenure unless a lot of guys really step up.

I guess I just hoped we'd be in a better spot right now. If you had told me after the Fiesta Bowl win that in just two years, ISU would likely be heading towards back-to-back seasons under five wins after a disappointing end to Purdy and Hall's careers (despite them both looking great and getting opportunities in the NFL) in the midst of a major scandal involving the starting QB, I would not be surprised because it's Iowa State, but I would certainly be devastated.

Could not agree with you more. CMC’s conference record is at best OK and if you throw out the COVID year it is not particularly impressive given the money invested in this program. Last year was embarrassing and the TCU loss was Jim Walden BAD. And something I thought we had put behind us—kind of like the brutally bad special teams’ play all through CDM’s tenure. But I digress. AND I was in the stands in 1985 when we lost to Drake. I am sick and tired of some fans thinking CMC is the best we can do. He has this year to show some improvement, but when we are legitimately talking about a 4 win season, that isn’t good enough for this lifelong fan. And the Dekkers situation underlies fundamental questions about recruiting, character judgment, and team discipline. That is ALL on the Head Coach.

 

[MartyFine]

Could not agree with you more. CMC’s conference record is at best OK and if you throw out the COVID year it is not particularly impressive given the money invested in this program. Last year was embarrassing and the TCU loss was Jim Walden BAD. And something I thought we had put behind us—kind of like the brutally bad special teams’ play all through CDM’s tenure. But I digress. AND I was in the stands in 1985 when we lost to Drake. I am sick and tired of some fans thinking CMC is the best we can do. He has this year to show some improvement, but when we are legitimately talking about a 4 win season, that isn’t good enough for this lifelong fan. And the Dekkers situation underlies fundamental questions about recruiting, character judgment, and team discipline. That is ALL on the Head Coach.

Is this TavernClark new to this board or a regular in disguise?

 

[SolterraCyclone]

See my example above. I bet 5 dollars, ended up making 450, and total amount bet from breaking even a lot was 3000+ dollars.
And Im not a good gambler. So lets take my 155 starting amount (5 dollars of my own money, 150 free bets from Fanduel)

My total amount bets is 26x the amount I originally started with.

Lets take Enyi's divided by 26, 1730 dollars. He bet 801 times. If he broke even on like half of those bets its easy to see how his total amount bet is at 45K

I saw your example. What was your winning % if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[nfrine]

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Who else goes up there?

Cameron lard, xavier foster

If we open this up a bit, Leath and Chizek would be up there.

 

[Cfinnerty16]

I saw your example. What was your winning % if you don’t mind me asking?

I think it was rounded out to 58%? I made most of my money on futures including betting 25 on KSU to win the BIG12 and for Iowa womens bball to beat South Carolina. My actual small dollar bets were 58% all the way through.

Also put a bet 15 dollar bet on UCONN to reach the final 4 after they destroyed us in the Nike tournament.

 

[3TrueFans]

Right. Bu they said he wagered $45K. So, in your example he wagered $300. If he’s only betting in those increments, he’d have to make a LOT of bets. You make a good point on some bets have great returns, but those are generally losers.

IMO, to have wagered $45K over the time period, he would have had to put up $25K+ of real money (not just winnings), because it isn’t realistic to think he was a good enough bettor to be able to wager $45K with a small bankroll (no one is).

That’s why I think a.) those numbers are wrong b.) he’s making bets for others or c.) he’s got a sugar mama somewhere to have that kind of cash on hand.

My total amount wagered is somewhere around $1,500 I think and I've only ever deposited about $150 in my account.

 

[RagingCloner]

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Does this mean the afore mentioned Brock, Hanika, Remsburg, and Lee are in the clear, or are these just ones charged criminally?

 

[Cfinnerty16]

Just talked to my old boss.
He put 150 into his DK account last year. It shows his total amount bet for the year as 5800

So it doesn't take a lot to get that total amount bet way up there.

 

[Cytown12]

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Who else goes up there?

Jason Berryman

 

[CloneLawman]

If we open this up a bit, Leath and Chizek would be up there.