And I’m telling you we have guys on the roster (which would include the last 4 years) that are ranked higher than all of the guys i mentioned.
Campbell’s Offense
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Everyone just needs to relax. We’re simply keeping it vanilla. Next week we’re gonna open up the playbook and force our will on Ohio.
It’s becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s hard to win at ISU.
Then can why can ******* Kansas look like they do and score points at will?
Historically Iowa States recruiting ranking have been near the bottom of all P5 teams.
Iowa State has never won a conference championship or even won 10 games in a season.
If you can’t see the correlation or still claim recruiting doesn’t matter then I don’t know what to tell you.
Iowa State has never won a conference championship or even won 10 games in a season.
If you can’t see the correlation or still claim recruiting doesn’t matter then I don’t know what to tell you.
Okay, that’s great, but in general the more talented you recruit, the better you’re going to do. There have also been recruits rated around where those names you mentioned that were nothing special or just plain bad for us.
We will see as the season goes on. Heacock runs the defense with the same level of recruits as the offense, number 1 in conference last year. Campbell runs offense, enough said.
What else can be said. He is losing fans. Had a chance, had a window, but it seems closed at the moment.
Stubborn, is all I can say.
Good defense though. Heacock is doing what he can do. There is that. But we have been saying that for 3+ years now. The other side of the ball, ???, not so much.
KU, and most of the Big 12, will beat us this year unless we make great changes now. It's a broken record.
I'll check back next week. I'm becoming apathetic. Never thought I'd say it.
I hope we can come back. Iowa is a good team. But holy cow.
It does when for me when you look at Kansas, somewhere its not easy to win at, and they're exciting and climbing the mountain. while we seem, stuck in neutral.
And the recruiting, sure... but then how come we're still so good on defense? Someone on staff is recruiting, identifying and developing players - sadly, it seems to be all or mostly all on the defensive side of the ball.
We have no explosive factor in offense. You're not going to win when you have to go 10, 8 play drives every time. Iowa had a couple explosive plays.
We either don't have a quarterback who can - not just talking this year - or won't - take vertical shots down field in the passing game.
Which makes it near impossible to run the ball effectively. When defenses know the ball is being played in a 10 yard box and then you're conservative on top of that and young - man good luck.
How can a thread titled “Campbell’s offense” be five pages long already? There isn’t that much to talk about….
Same man, same. We have lost all momentum. Can we get it back? Maybe.
Kansas is ahead of us, now, IMO. They are rolling. They are fun to watch.
Even if we won today... are we fun to watch? Watching a win is always fun , don't get me wrong but like, is there an exciting young player or veteran who we think is box office like Daniels is at Kansas
And I agree, he is stubborn. I said it last year and people down played. I really think things changed when Golesh left. He was the recruiting coordinator, he left when Manning game back. He worked with Heupul and Tennessee where he was at least in volved in game planning if not calling plays, I've heard different things from different people on how much he did because Josh certainly was very heavily involved.
Golesh was the recruiting coordinator that helped evaluate and bring in the Halls, Kolars, Purdy's, etc... he left in 2020. Was the TE coach for Kolar, Allen, Soehner, (Spelling). So I just.. IDK. I think that loss was big. If for recruiting purposes on the offensive of the ball if nothing else
Its all of the above. We're young, inexperienced and not that good.
At least we don’t have to spend any NIL funds on offense. We’re gonna need to throw money at most of our defense starting with Dominque Orange.
Campbell’s offense is low risk low reward. Accept it. He wants to win with ball control, time of possession, field position, and winning the turnover battle. That’s the kind of style you adopt when you don’t have any star talent. It’s worked before. Basically Iowa Light.
Campbell’s offense is low risk low reward. Accept it. He wants to win with ball control, time of possession, field position, and winning the turnover battle. That’s the kind of style you adopt when you don’t have any star talent. It’s worked before. Basically Iowa Light.
Iowa with sub par fundamentals. Like Iowa doesn't drop those balls and is known for tight ST.
This is an analysis I did in Dec last year...
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Like I said, Kohl is obviously a huge part of the class. There is no great way to represent what the class means without taking him out as he skews the overall average ranking so drastically. The reason I removed him to represent ranking is that if you take him out, it would better compare to prior seasons. There isn't a better way to discuss the average ranking of other recruits, unfortunately.
With Kohl, we're currently 42nd.
WITHOUT Kohl, it drops to something around 60-65.
That would actually be the bottom of our last 5 classes. 2022 was 39th. 2020 for instance was 46th. That's a huge difference and a reverse of prior trends. You would expect this class to be the best ever based on the timing of the Fiesta Bowl season.
Last year we had 9 recruits in the Top 600, this year we have 1 inside the Top 700 (Kohl).
Again, there is no great way to represent this, other than the average ranking of our recruits is drastically lower in this class vs the last 5.
And also again, I'm not being pessimistic. We're a developmental program, but the better the player to start with, in theory the higher the ceiling they have. I'm just breaking down the numbers because all I hear is that this class is a monster class - when it's really a monster QB and then lower than average in every other position.
Beni Ngoyi to make decision between Iowa State and Nebraska on Wednesday
Every year our base of talent improves under CMC. We beat Texas 3 years in a row. This year was bad. Overall things are good with our program.
cyclonefanatic.com
Like I said, Kohl is obviously a huge part of the class. There is no great way to represent what the class means without taking him out as he skews the overall average ranking so drastically. The reason I removed him to represent ranking is that if you take him out, it would better compare to prior seasons. There isn't a better way to discuss the average ranking of other recruits, unfortunately.
With Kohl, we're currently 42nd.
WITHOUT Kohl, it drops to something around 60-65.
That would actually be the bottom of our last 5 classes. 2022 was 39th. 2020 for instance was 46th. That's a huge difference and a reverse of prior trends. You would expect this class to be the best ever based on the timing of the Fiesta Bowl season.
Last year we had 9 recruits in the Top 600, this year we have 1 inside the Top 700 (Kohl).
Again, there is no great way to represent this, other than the average ranking of our recruits is drastically lower in this class vs the last 5.
And also again, I'm not being pessimistic. We're a developmental program, but the better the player to start with, in theory the higher the ceiling they have. I'm just breaking down the numbers because all I hear is that this class is a monster class - when it's really a monster QB and then lower than average in every other position.
No it never did. It worked when we HAD stars.
Purdy - NFL starter
Kolar- NFL
Allen - is he still in the NFL? Can't remebmer
Hall - NFL Starter
Montgomery - NFL
Lazard - NFL
Butler - drafted
Kene - NFL
Akers - invited to the Rams roster, I'm not sure if he's still there
That's when the offense worked. Ever since then - its been bad. But instead of seeing that he didn't have NFL guys to run the same offense, we run the same offense, and even after we see we can't run it the same way, we try to anyways.
I think some of that is because there is the very well perception, reality or not, that we're on declining or stagnant.This is an analysis I did in Dec last year...
Beni Ngoyi to make decision between Iowa State and Nebraska on Wednesday
Every year our base of talent improves under CMC. We beat Texas 3 years in a row. This year was bad. Overall things are good with our program.
Like I said, Kohl is obviously a huge part of the class. There is no great way to represent what the class means without taking him out as he skews the overall average ranking so drastically. The reason I removed him to represent ranking is that if you take him out, it would better compare to prior seasons. There isn't a better way to discuss the average ranking of other recruits, unfortunately.
With Kohl, we're currently 42nd.
WITHOUT Kohl, it drops to something around 60-65.
That would actually be the bottom of our last 5 classes. 2022 was 39th. 2020 for instance was 46th. That's a huge difference and a reverse of prior trends. You would expect this class to be the best ever based on the timing of the Fiesta Bowl season.
Last year we had 9 recruits in the Top 600, this year we have 1 inside the Top 700 (Kohl).
Again, there is no great way to represent this, other than the average ranking of our recruits is drastically lower in this class vs the last 5.
And also again, I'm not being pessimistic. We're a developmental program, but the better the player to start with, in theory the higher the ceiling they have. I'm just breaking down the numbers because all I hear is that this class is a monster class - when it's really a monster QB and then lower than average in every other position.
For a couple years around the Fiesta Bowl, there was hope. An idea we might take that step. Now we've slipped and are struggling.
On a similar concept but not at their level, its like Clemson. Though obviously never reached the heights of Clemson.
I think he does that to challenge our players to get stronger and better as the season goes on. The last 4 times Campbell lost to Iowa, we improved greatly as the season went on. Hopefully that will be the case again this year.
