Campbell’s Offense
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What is our scheme? Do we play a lower risk, field position game, hoping to be ahead and hold on at the end, with teams we should beat? And do we try to just stay close and have a chance at the end with teams that have more talent than us?
I guess I can see that, but has it been working? As others have pointed out, it hasn't been working very well of late.
So if the play calling in our "scheme" is not working, then the scheme is also not working, correct? And some of the play calls have just been mind boggling, TBH.
If this is our scheme in the new Big 12, I feel that we will soon be in or near last place in the conference on a consistent basis. We either change with the times or get left behind.
Certainly the play calling leaves a lot to be desired.
What, in your opinion, is our scheme? And how can we improve it?
I would just like to see some accountability. Last year I didn't hear much (some but barely, and not enough) from the coaches. It got to the point that by the end of the year it was obvious that there were coaching deficiencies and problems. Fans seemed to force Campbell into making a few changes.
Now,
ST's seems better. Already some progress can be seen at times and in spots. Lets keep that going.
OL needs more work and time, but we all seem to agree that the right coach is in place there.
OC- I look at this and honestly just see Campbell coaching thru Scheelhaase. I don't have a good feeling that Campbell can admit to certain faults and I don't have confidence that he can let go.
DC- Great. Heacock has been our standard bearer for a while now.
WR Coach- Don't know much about the situation here, but our WR's are not making an impact. The route trees have been suspect.
I would like to hear and see some accountability from the coaches, and that starts with Campbell. What are we doing that needs to change? What changes can we make? See some actual changes and improvement. Will that happen???
So, we will likely be waiting until the end of the year, if we continue to do poorly, before any talk of changes are suggested or given. Then will another year will pass with similar poor results?
Boy, I'm starting to get cynical. Good luck to the players and coaches the rest of the way!
Just so hard to beat Iowa at its own game with poor offensive line play. Need more maulers up front.
All the more reason to get creative. If you don't have the horses to pound it down the middle, don't.
This is trend is starting to follow the path of coach Rhoads. Start out going to 4 straight bowls...then fizzled out and was fired. At least Paul beat Iowa.
Paul went to 3 bowls total and two in a row once largely with players he didn't recruit. He got Iowa teams that were worse than what Iowa's been recently and almost lost to the worst Iowa team in two decades with what was supposed to be a good ISU team that went 6-7.
CMC went to 5 straight and isn't getting 50'd regularly and had winning conference seasons.
The two aren't comparable.
Football has turned into bball on the forums. People have lost their damn minds.
maybe so, but I saw several plays where our offensive linemen whiffed or barely sustained any blocks for any length of time. You would watch a play, and just like that an ISU ball carrier is ganged tackled and then there are 4 ISU linemen alone, their men shed them in no time flat.
Two things drove me nuts yesterday.
Yes, we’ve always run motion in CMC ball, but it seems we do it, just to do it. We have multiple guys running back and forth on every play, then end up running up the gut for little to no gain. I know why we do it, but it seems defenses are just saying, “Don’t mind all of the window dressing, this is the play they are running.” It’s not fooling anyone.
The other one is on almost every play, we have guys, even linemen, staring at their wrists, to figure out their assignment right up until the snap of the ball. Our tight ends really seemed to be struggling to figure out what they had to do in time.
Is it possible this staff is over complicating everything so much on the offensive side of the ball that no one can just focus on who they are supposed to block? Seems to me we have a ton of ******** going on, simply for the sake of having ******** going on. Then it ends in us getting stuffed at the line and/or guys completely whiffing on blocks.
Yes, we’ve always run motion in CMC ball, but it seems we do it, just to do it. We have multiple guys running back and forth on every play, then end up running up the gut for little to no gain. I know why we do it, but it seems defenses are just saying, “Don’t mind all of the window dressing, this is the play they are running.” It’s not fooling anyone.
The other one is on almost every play, we have guys, even linemen, staring at their wrists, to figure out their assignment right up until the snap of the ball. Our tight ends really seemed to be struggling to figure out what they had to do in time.
Is it possible this staff is over complicating everything so much on the offensive side of the ball that no one can just focus on who they are supposed to block? Seems to me we have a ton of ******** going on, simply for the sake of having ******** going on. Then it ends in us getting stuffed at the line and/or guys completely whiffing on blocks.
There is the story out there of how the defense just wasn't good enough so the staff went back to the drawing board and completely revamped the defense to what we see today and it's been fantastic!
How many horrible offensive performances before the staff does the same self reflection on offense?
Amazing defense last year and only 4 wins. Amazing defense this year and ST seems to at least be improved and we have a FG kicker. If we don't get to 6 wins this year I am going to be done with Campbell. I can't keep watching a defense hold teams to 20 or less and an offense that can't do anything. It's not enjoyable. Not throwing in the towel yet. I think there is enough pieces on offense to be competent. And Iowa is a great defense so we have to give them some credit.
How many horrible offensive performances before the staff does the same self reflection on offense?
Amazing defense last year and only 4 wins. Amazing defense this year and ST seems to at least be improved and we have a FG kicker. If we don't get to 6 wins this year I am going to be done with Campbell. I can't keep watching a defense hold teams to 20 or less and an offense that can't do anything. It's not enjoyable. Not throwing in the towel yet. I think there is enough pieces on offense to be competent. And Iowa is a great defense so we have to give them some credit.
Don't forget he had Kareem Hunt in Toledo.
This is starting to look a little like Prohm, all the superstars are gone and things are going downhill quickly when the talent isn't there.
Still early but after being out gained by UNI and out gaining Iowa, ISU is currently the 9th worst offense in CFB stats wise according to ESPN.
Two spots above Iowa.
Meanwhile UCF is sitting at number 1. With Cincy, KU, OU, KSU, and TCU all in top 20.
Two spots above Iowa.
Meanwhile UCF is sitting at number 1. With Cincy, KU, OU, KSU, and TCU all in top 20.
Anybody know how long Remsburg is out? No excuse just curious.
I think our young backfield and TE group have potential. Campbell made the move he needed to turn our offense around ( o line coach )and I think they're probably good enough to be a bowl team.
I agree the WR group doesn't look competitive. I'm going to wait a couple weeks to decide if that's scheme or talent. Regardless, you need a consistent line to run the routes that will get you chuck yardage.
I think our young backfield and TE group have potential. Campbell made the move he needed to turn our offense around ( o line coach )and I think they're probably good enough to be a bowl team.
I agree the WR group doesn't look competitive. I'm going to wait a couple weeks to decide if that's scheme or talent. Regardless, you need a consistent line to run the routes that will get you chuck yardage.
Remsburg can play after TCU game.
I do think offensive play calling can improve. I don’t even blame Rocco for the pick six as we had Norton running an out on wide side of field.
Remsburg won't make a difference.
It's very concerning to me that this group of linemen are still starters at this point and haven't been recruited over or lost out to younger guys.
CMC wants to play in a way that these linemen simply are unable to facilitate. That speaks volumes to recruiting and coaching, and both very negatively.
It's very concerning to me that this group of linemen are still starters at this point and haven't been recruited over or lost out to younger guys.
CMC wants to play in a way that these linemen simply are unable to facilitate. That speaks volumes to recruiting and coaching, and both very negatively.
Won't matter.
Just like the offensive stats.
Pollard will NOT be firing CMC no matter what, or at least not until after 2025.
If you think Campbell is stubborn.........
There are only two things to say about that year: 1) our players took advantage of the circumstances and deserved every win and I'm happy as hell for them and 2) it was not representative of a normal year. We are not a NY bowl team and if 2020 was a normal year we would've had 7-8 wins.
A lot of people here read far too much from that year and raised their expectations delusionally high.
We are not yet anywhere near the point where we're consistently fighting for the conference championship and that may never happen for is regardless of coach. That said, 1-6 against Iowa is embarrassing. I can believe we'll never consistently beat blue bloods or southern schools but Iowa? We should do better than 1 win in 7 contests.
The offense limits itself in 2 ways. One, they never threaten deep. Just never. That might be in part Roccos arm, which did not look great yesterday.
Two, they never go tempo. You know what jacks up a defense like Iowa? Going tempo. Taking the initiative instead of getting baited. They used to do this, but no more. Why? Want to be "multiple"? Have this in your bag. Maybe in case you are down 2 scores late or something.
But once again, for the hundredth effing time, we let a team put 9 guys within 3 yards of the LOS and wonder why we cant get a run game or short passes working??? Its a real mystery Scoob! JFC
To the good... i think the oline is ok. Not great or dominant but ok. Thats a step forward. Higgins is actually good. Sama and Norton are good. There are some tools there. Need to figure out how to scheme some deeper routes for a noodle arm.
My Rx would be:
1. Learn to go tempo
2. Get some 15yard deep play action to TE over midfield type routes. So you can threaten deep-ish but within Roccos arm range
3. Bench Noel and throw to TEs or Sama or someone as a rcvr more instead. All the same routes. Find someone w hands.
4. Keep working Kohl hard in practice so maybe he can be ready for November, and then have deep routes ready that he can (presumably) hit
I dont think CMC will attempt any of these things.
Two, they never go tempo. You know what jacks up a defense like Iowa? Going tempo. Taking the initiative instead of getting baited. They used to do this, but no more. Why? Want to be "multiple"? Have this in your bag. Maybe in case you are down 2 scores late or something.
But once again, for the hundredth effing time, we let a team put 9 guys within 3 yards of the LOS and wonder why we cant get a run game or short passes working??? Its a real mystery Scoob! JFC
To the good... i think the oline is ok. Not great or dominant but ok. Thats a step forward. Higgins is actually good. Sama and Norton are good. There are some tools there. Need to figure out how to scheme some deeper routes for a noodle arm.
My Rx would be:
1. Learn to go tempo
2. Get some 15yard deep play action to TE over midfield type routes. So you can threaten deep-ish but within Roccos arm range
3. Bench Noel and throw to TEs or Sama or someone as a rcvr more instead. All the same routes. Find someone w hands.
4. Keep working Kohl hard in practice so maybe he can be ready for November, and then have deep routes ready that he can (presumably) hit
I dont think CMC will attempt any of these things.
