Rocco's NIL value

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NIL was supposed to be a few bucks off the sale of a kid's jersey so they would have some money in their pocket, few opposed that idea. Now it has morphed into pay for play. The Athletic had an article this week with kids telling how much they are getting, many were getting 100K to 300K a year. The QB from Tenn. got 8 million to sign with the Vols, Manning making twice what Purdy is this season.
What was once was under the table is now out for all to see, and it's not pretty, how long before the SEC and B10 realize that they are going to better off using that $80 to 100 million a year from TV money to set up a fund to pay the players?

The NFL has a salary cap, pay scale for rookies and first year players, while college football is the Old West.
 

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NIL was supposed to be a few bucks off the sale of a kid's jersey so they would have some money in their pocket, few opposed that idea. Now it has morphed into pay for play. The Athletic had an article this week with kids telling how much they are getting, many were getting 100K to 300K a year. The QB from Tenn. got 8 million to sign with the Vols, Manning making twice what Purdy is this season.
What was once was under the table is now out for all to see, and it's not pretty, how long before the SEC and B10 realize that they are going to better off using that $80 to 100 million a year from TV money to set up a fund to pay the players?

The NFL has a salary cap, pay scale for rookies and first year players, while college football is the Old West.

One of the owners of the prior company I worked for is an Alabama alumni. He received an email from the athletic department suggesting that those donors who traditionally donate to the school's athletic program make their donations to the NIL program. So the school knows that the more they win the more money the school makes anyway through increased enrollment, licensed apparel/merch, etc.
 

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NIL was supposed to be a few bucks off the sale of a kid's jersey so they would have some money in their pocket, few opposed that idea. Now it has morphed into pay for play. The Athletic had an article this week with kids telling how much they are getting, many were getting 100K to 300K a year. The QB from Tenn. got 8 million to sign with the Vols, Manning making twice what Purdy is this season.
What was once was under the table is now out for all to see, and it's not pretty, how long before the SEC and B10 realize that they are going to better off using that $80 to 100 million a year from TV money to set up a fund to pay the players?

The NFL has a salary cap, pay scale for rookies and first year players, while college football is the Old West.
Collectives would not be allowed in any pro sports league because it would circumvent the salary cap. Unfortunately the mechanism for that is through collective bargaining which is not something that is currently possible in the NCAA. Ideally you would have the schools pay players and there would be some kind of salary cap and we would get rid of the collectives, I'm just not sure how you get there.
 

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Collectives would not be allowed in any pro sports league because it would circumvent the salary cap. Unfortunately the mechanism for that is through collective bargaining which is not something that is currently possible in the NCAA. Ideally you would have the schools pay players and there would be some kind of salary cap and we would get rid of the collectives, I'm just not sure how you get there.

Aren’t pros allowed to profit off NIL?

Patrick Mahomes is always on TV trying to sell me some insurance.
 
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NIL was supposed to be a few bucks off the sale of a kid's jersey so they would have some money in their pocket, few opposed that idea. Now it has morphed into pay for play. The Athletic had an article this week with kids telling how much they are getting, many were getting 100K to 300K a year. The QB from Tenn. got 8 million to sign with the Vols, Manning making twice what Purdy is this season.
What was once was under the table is now out for all to see, and it's not pretty, how long before the SEC and B10 realize that they are going to better off using that $80 to 100 million a year from TV money to set up a fund to pay the players?

The NFL has a salary cap, pay scale for rookies and first year players, while college football is the Old West.
Those teams are happy to pocket the TV money while the egomaniacal boosters happily jump into the arms race and foot the bill on their behalf.
 

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Collectives are pay for play under the guise of NIL. If it was possible to do that in the NFL they would already exist.

Is it against the formal rules?

Or the NFL was just never smart enough/its fans dumb enough to have the fans directly pay the players (not the teams) when the players already get ~50% of league revenue per the CBA and can profit off NIL like Mahomes does?
 

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Isn't that supposedly "illegal"? I thought that amounted to tampering when players are approached outside the portal and with an actual dollar amount?

Schools probably cannot approach athletes. But nothing is stopping independent collectives from approaching Rocco for NIL deals.

Yes, I know collectives are tied to a school, but let's be honest, all collectives exist to benefit their own school. Despite that, they are their own entity, like an agent, and can approach anyone they want for NIL deals.
 

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Is it against the formal rules?

Or the NFL was just never smart enough/its fans dumb enough to have the fans directly pay the players (not the teams) when the players already get ~50% of league revenue per the CBA and can profit off NIL like Mahomes does?
It is against the rules for individuals outside the organizations to pay players to play somewhere. If it wasn't the salary cap would be meaningless.
 
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NIL is like having a good job. If you like where you are and the organization wants to propel your career to new heights, why take the chance of entering a ****-show for more money when where you're at right now is working and will get you exactly where you want to go?

That's why Rocco is still here, and Kohl for that matter.
 

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I think changes will happen before we can track how this works out for many.

I would think Rocco....being a starter, making great progress, comfort in system....is worth something to him and his future as a FB player vs short term $$ grab. (Think Tyrese Hunter?)

Kudos to some of the kids that likely would never make a full living off football post college securing hefty sums of money now.

Maybe a silly example, but to my knowledge Austen Arnaud didn't make any money playing football. I wonder if in today era, he couldn't grad transfer and make a decent amount of money to play a 5th year at a school.
 
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Isn't the portal closed now? Didn't the players have 5 days after their bowl game to enter the portal?
 

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It is so wild how quickly this is all evolving.

Truly when it came out we pictured a car dealership paying WAY to much for a kid to advertise (that's at least somewhat in the NIL spirit) and even our own collective was rooted in "for doing community service" to some capacity and how we too have had to evolve to the "pool of money to share" model.
 

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NIL is like having a good job. If you like where you are and the organization wants to propel your career to new heights, why take the chance of entering a ****-show for more money when where you're at right now is working and will get you exactly where you want to go?

That's why Rocco is still here, and Kohl for that matter.

It moved from an apprentice type of relationship to that of a job.

If it's a job then put these players on a payroll and quit with the student athlete bull ****.

They're professional football players. They make more than the XFL and USFL (and some NFL).

Let's stop ******* around. License out the school names to the professional ball clubs and let them run their own business
 

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It moved from an apprentice type of relationship to that of a job.

If it's a job then put these players on a payroll and quit with the student athlete bull ****.

They're professional football players. They make more than the XFL and USFL (and some NFL).

Let's stop ******* around. License out the school names to the professional ball clubs and let them run their own business

I completely agree. What is it about the human condition that allows us to go along with make believe ways of doing business. If anything it shows a complete lack of leadership from the college sports "leaders" or is it "legends"?

So dumb.
 
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