49ers - Brock Purdy - Still and Always #1

[Sousaclone]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

I'd say almost none. Most of the "experts" don't like the fact that they flat out missed on him.

They can't stand that Mr. Irrelevant, who doesn't have stand out physical traits, is a pretty "normal" guy, is proving almost all the scouts and evaluators wrong.

Edit:
He doesn't have the one crazy thing about him that they can associate him with other than just being a damn good football player. Doesn't have an insane cannon for an arm (See Joh Allen's monster throw last weekend), crazy big size, crazy speed, crazy improvisation throws, etc.

His skills come in something that's harder to explain to your average fan and takes a little bit of film study / knowledge to break down. That's the reason you see so many former players and in depth guys talking about how good he is while most of the talking heads can't. It's easy to see how/why Lamar is good. He's a freak athlete. Allen has got a cannon for an arm. Purdy though is doing the little things that should hopefully make him successful for a very long time.

 

[NorthCyd]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

I mean, I think being small and white plays into the narrative that he's not athletic, which anyone who's really watched him knows that isn't true, but its more to do with being the last pick. Everyone seems to be waiting for the magic carpet ride to end and Purdy to fail and get replaced, and when that happens they want to be the ones who were out in front and told everyone it would happen. We were all fools for believing Purdy was good when it was really just coaching and talented players around him propping him up.

 

[FarmClone]

Kittle already does it to an extent. He's got a 20 minute segment on the Pat McAffee show yesterday where he throws lots of jabs about it.

Go Pack Go...the **** home.

 

[ScottyP]

I mean, I think being small and white plays into the narrative that he's not athletic, which anyone who's really watched him knows that isn't true, but its more to do with being the last pick. Everyone seems to be waiting for the magic carpet ride to end and Purdy to fail and get replaced, and when that happens they want to be the ones who were out in front and told everyone it would happen. We were all fools for believing Purdy was good when it was really just coaching and talented players around him propping him up.

It is also the reason you see First round QBs get multiple chances. NFL evaluators are always looking for the next John Elway (big, athletic and huge arm).

 

[ghyland7]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

I think this is a pretty bad take.

99.9% of the time fans/media fawn over guys like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc. the boring white guys who give credit to teammates. ESPN and other media actually giving respect to the Lamar Jackson’s of the world is a relatively new phenomenon.

Tebow wasn’t liked because he was a bad QB, not because he was a clean cut white guy.

People aren’t giving Brock credit because he was the last pick in the draft and he doesn’t have the same measurables as the other top guys. When he continues to win, that will start to quiet down.

Even still today, you can find plenty of people who think Manning or Rodgers or [insert other QB here] was a better player/talent/thrower than Brady, but Brady is still considered the best ever.

 

[Jer]

What I find funny is that it really doesn't matter if Purdy is a system QB or not - he's perfect for what they need and he's winning. They need a game manager that can get the ball in the hands of all their talent, make good decisions, show poise, and be consistent. He's doing that really well. Anything else is just BS talk.

Would Purdy look or do the same with the Packers? Don't know and don't really care, he's with the 49ers. Would Justin Fields look or do the same with the 49ers? I don't give a ****, he's not with them and is about to be replaced by a rookie.

 

[VeloClone]

I might be wrong, but aren't Brock and Fran Tarkenton similar size?

A player is a player. If personal stats are required, how do we explain the exquisite athletes who overcome those who are certain they can not succeed? Success is the bottom line. If it's not, how do we explain the perfect human profiles who do not succeed?

Several of our great military warriors who won Medals of Honor are small guys. With height below 5-foot-6. If you're going to judge their courage and will and intelligence by their stature, you suck.

I don't think height matters as much as they make out, but I think this is a poor comparison. Look at the size of OL and DL when Tark played and look at their size now. A QB does need to be able to see over the lines to be effective.

In the '60s and '70s when Tark played:
'60s OL 6-3 251
'70s OL 6-3 255

Today (best I can find is from 2015):
'15 OL 6-5 315 DT 6-3 309 DE 6-4 279

Sorry, I am striking out on DL sizes for the '70s and '80s.

 

[cysmiley]

You said the thing out loud that were not supposed to say… Goff gets the same grief despite being great this year. Allen gets roasted for his turnovers despite being more impactful than Mahomes. Why Love gets praise for not performing nearly as well and gets a free pass on the same criticism of turnover. Why talking heads think Justin Fields still is some great prospect despite 40 games of bad play.

There is the draft/evaluation thing that impacts it, but the media would really hate to see another 10 years of Purdy/Shanahan success (ala Brady/Belichick) when they’d rather Mahomes/Jackson/Stroud/Love/Prescott be the face of the league

Brock gets a hell of a lot more media hate than Allen and Goff, if he got the praise that both Allen and Goff got/get from the national media, don't think there would be nearly the criticism in this thread as there is. Goff is treated as the second coming of the lord for the Detroit franchise, makes a great national story! Rags to Riches, Brock is just riches to more riches, EVEN THOUGH he started for ISU for 4 years! (Actually, if he had accepted the Alabama offer and was in the same position now, he probably would be looked as the the next Brady, or Montana and a sure path to the Hall of Fame!) That is where I think the prejudice lies as a Cyclone fan!!

 

[VeloClone]

I think this is a pretty bad take.

99.9% of the time fans/media fawn over guys like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc. the boring white guys who give credit to teammates. ESPN and other media actually giving respect to the Lamar Jackson’s of the world is a relatively new phenomenon.

Tebow wasn’t liked because he was a bad QB, not because he was a clean cut white guy.

People aren’t giving Brock credit because he was the last pick in the draft and he doesn’t have the same measurables as the other top guys. When he continues to win, that will start to quiet down.

Even still today, you can find plenty of people who think Manning or Rodgers or [insert other QB here] was a better player/talent/thrower than Brady, but Brady is still considered the best ever.

Don't lose sight of the fact that just like we have become a sound bite society we have also become highlight plays sports fans. Highlight reel hero plays are valued over consistency, processing, anticipation, game IQ, and execution. Keep in mind Brock was up to last week getting knocked because he hadn't orchestrated a come from behind game winning drive. Nevermind that most of the reason he hadn't done it was because he had the nearly unprecedented ability to almost never allow his team to be behind toward the end of the game.

 

[HFCS]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

I think 99% of the Tebow hate was that the media covered nothing but Tebow. When he was in college it was one thing because he was a force, in the pros it was kind of a joke. He had some irrational opinion fans too.

I love Lamelo Ball’s game and like him as a person in spite of his dad but his rookie year it got annoying for the same reason. He was good but he was like the 65th best player in the league getting covered more than any all star. He got hurt for a while and after his rookie year the hype machine fell to a normal level.

I’m not sure if Brock is getting that kind of coverage where all other players get ignored to focus on Brock. I’m too biased. The angle with Brock that doesn’t match those is statistically he is 100% elite.

 

[HFCS]

I'd say almost none. Most of the "experts" don't like the fact that they flat out missed on him.

They can't stand that Mr. Irrelevant, who doesn't have stand out physical traits, is a pretty "normal" guy, is proving almost all the scouts and evaluators wrong.

Edit:
He doesn't have the one crazy thing about him that they can associate him with other than just being a damn good football player. Doesn't have an insane cannon for an arm (See Joh Allen's monster throw last weekend), crazy big size, crazy speed, crazy improvisation throws, etc.

His skills come in something that's harder to explain to your average fan and takes a little bit of film study / knowledge to break down. That's the reason you see so many former players and in depth guys talking about how good he is while most of the talking heads can't. It's easy to see how/why Lamar is good. He's a freak athlete. Allen has got a cannon for an arm. Purdy though is doing the little things that should hopefully make him successful for a very long time.

To me it’s weird that he’s perceived differently than Drew Brees. My memory isn’t perfect but was he not very good right away with similar skill set, physical attributes, and similar college career at a school not typically an ultimate power? Maybe the only difference is how they evaluate for the draft and how the media covers things 23 years later.

 

[HFCS]

Don't lose sight of the fact that just like we have become a sound bite society we have also become highlight plays sports fans. Highlight reel hero plays are valued over consistency, processing, anticipation, game IQ, and execution. Keep in mind Brock was up to last week getting knocked because he hadn't orchestrated a come from behind game winning drive. Nevermind that most of the reason he hadn't done it was because he had the nearly unprecedented ability to almost never allow his team to be behind toward the end of the game.

Yeah he’s been behind late 4 times total and twice he did lead the team down the field to a td or a 40 yard game winning fg attempt.

I’m guessing 50% in that category would be elite.

 

[NWICY]

I don’t think it’s that, I think it’s more NFL experts not wanting to admit they were wrong with him falling to last in the draft.

Of course Brady was a clean cut white dude that fell to 199 so we could both be wrong or maybe he took a bunch of crap I don’t remember.

When Brady came into the league, there wasn't near the social media or the need to fill every day with someone's hot takes. SI was weekly, the newspapers published a pregame and post game and maybe a midweek article ESPN still did sports, but wasn't filled with hours of talking heads.
Now anyone with a laptop and a Webcam can be a "expert" just my 2 cents.

 

[KnappShack]

I'm sure this was posted, but how good is it to hear that Brock played a part in a RUSHING touchdown.

Jeff George had a cannon for an arm. So did Demarcus Russell.

 

[mynameisjonas]

What I find funny is that it really doesn't matter if Purdy is a system QB or not - he's perfect for what they need and he's winning. They need a game manager that can get the ball in the hands of all their talent, make good decisions, show poise, and be consistent. He's doing that really well. Anything else is just BS talk.

Would Purdy look or do the same with the Packers? Don't know and don't really care, he's with the 49ers. Would Justin Fields look or do the same with the 49ers? I don't give a ****, he's not with them and is about to be replaced by a rookie.

You call a career record, including playoffs of 20-5 to start your NFL career as a starting QB winning? Pfft.

 

[Jer]

You call a career record, including playoffs of 20-5 to start your NFL career as a starting QB winning? Pfft.

Winning with a capital W. He's had an amazing start, that's what I was saying.

 

[3TrueFans]

Maybe try taking some advice from Jared Goff

Jared Goff abruptly cuts question on Skip Bayless: 'Don't care about anything he says.'

As Jared Goff prepares for the NFC Championship this weekend, the Detroit Lions quarterback isn't concerned with Skip Bayless.

awfulannouncing.com

“Nah, I don’t care about anything he says,” Goff said garnering a laugh from the Detroit radio show. “You can stop now. Anything those guys say on daytime TV, you can skip over that.”

 

[jdoggivjc]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

I don’t think it’s that, I think it’s more NFL experts not wanting to admit they were wrong with him falling to last in the draft.

Of course Brady was a clean cut white dude that fell to 199 so we could both be wrong or maybe he took a bunch of crap I don’t remember.

I think this is more it. The NFL and the media like their QBs to be clean-cut (although “white dude” has pretty much fallen by the wayside at this point as Lamar Jackson is clearly going to win MVP with near unanimous media support). They may take issue with the fact that Purdy arrives at the stadium looking like the average farmer attending a church gathering instead of wearing the latest fashion from Louis Vuitton, but then, what do you expect out of a player not even making $1 mil a year while living in one of the most expensive places in America?

No - the talking heads and the randos on Twitter that like to think of themselves as experts on all things NFL hate Purdy because they missed that badly on him, and instead of doing the rational thing and admitting they got it wrong on him like a lot of others already have done, they double or triple down on their stupidity with idiotic, irrational takes, making themselves look like imbeciles in the process.

And as far as the difference between Tom Brady and Purdy, I can think of 2: first, being drafted in the 6th round vs being Mr. Irrelevant; second, playing for Michigan vs playing for Iowa St.

It may not seem like there’s much of a difference between the 6th round and Mr. Irrelevant, but think about it - despite being an MVP candidate, it’s a tag he simply cannot shake, and will probably be with him the rest of his career, even if he wins multiple Super Bowls and league MVPs.

And as far as the schools, it’s much easier to admit they missed on Brady: “a QB from Michigan got looked over by everyone and went and proved us wrong - that’s on us.” Meanwhile, despite owning nearly every school record, Purdy went to Iowa St: “how dare this upstart make us look bad? We refuse to acknowledge we were wrong about him.)

 

[TBT]

This is fake, of course, but I wish it wasn't.

 

[KnappShack]

As a non NFL fan, how much of the Purdy hate is because he's a clean-cut white dude? Reminds me of the Tebow hate, really.

Tebow was never an NFL caliber QB. Ever.

Purdy is an NFL caliber QB, but he doesn't look the part. Too small. Too humble. Too slow. Weak arm.

They miss the mental part of the game and the toughness Brock has. Guy is a competitor

Tebow was a mess.