That's where Strength of Record is a metric that should be used along with the Quadrant system. Completely scrap SOS/NCSOS because you can schedule a bunch of tough teams, not beat them, and reap the rewards.
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When you have to run through a conference slate like the Big 12 it's absolutely idiotic that non-con schedules become the comparison point against teams with much easier conference slates. It's a total body of work, people need to lose their had on for non con opponents/schedules. Put Iowa State in the ACC or B1G and they could sleep walk through the majority of the schedule.
You just said Iowa St needs to finish 3 games ahead of Kansas in conference to be seeded ahead of them. So remind me why anything you spew is relevant?
In that scenario Kansas is a six seed in KC.
Yep and I've mentioned it several times but I also think with NIL and the portal those Nov and Dec wins need to be weighed differently than they have in the past. Teams are clearly different in Jan, Feb, and March.
Yeah, and the NCAA is complicit in this. Their Nitty Gritty sheets show NET, OOC NET, SOS, OOC SOS. So as I said the OOC is getting counted twice and the conference only once.
Yep. There are too many good analytic tools out there at this point to just keep reverting back to "well team A played 5 really tough non conference games. Even though they didn't win any of them the committee felt like that should be rewarded."
Especially when when we're talking about noncon, we're only really talking about like 4-5 real games. No one schedules all tough games. Most P5 teams schedule 4-5 actual games with any chance of being competitive. There's no reason to spend that much time on that small amount of data points in the early season when teams aren't at their best anyway.
Joe you beautiful bastard you. I’ve been fighting with Alabama fans all week
I really hope he responds to me because JBR will be @'ed
Alabama and Kansas both are probably going to lose tomorrow and he'll somehow justify keeping them above Iowa State because losses don't matter to him (for those teams)
What kills me with Kansas is their win against UCONN keeps getting brought up but that game was at the Phog. That shouldn't carry anymore weight than us beating KU and Houston at Hilton.
JBR was saying Kansas' win over Texas (at the Phog) was impressive but losing to BYU there was no big deal. No, that's not how it works.
The problem with that is you have to evaluate teams across conferences vs. one another. The only way you can do that is to understand how good each conference is relative to one another, since most of the games are conference games. Conference games tell you nothing about the overall strength of the conference. They only tell you if a conference is top heavy or has parity.
Trust me, devaluing non-con games is about the worst thing possible for the Big 12. We've had probably thirty years of selection committees and pollsters in MBB and CFB using this exact method to prop up the Big 10 at the expense of the Big 12
Every year:
- Big 10 underwhelms in non-con and clearly isn't very good
- Some big 10 teams rack up wins in conference play against a mediocre conference
- As the post season arrives, the media plays the "Teams X, Y and Z in the Big 10 are really good. They didn't play will in non-con, but they've improved so much they aren't the same team"
- Big 10 gets 3/4 of its teams in the tournament or gets overrated in BCS, Bowls, etc.
- Big 10 underperforms against other conferences in the post season
Rinse and repeat. You can't on one hand devalue the non-con because of NIL and more roster turnover, when it is the only way to evaluate conferences relative to one another, which is 100% necessary.
Besides, everybody's in the same NIL world, Why cater more to teams that turn over their rosters more by buying players by discounting early games? It's just another part of the game to consider when coaches are recruiting and building rosters.
The second tweet made me think he thinks ISU lost to West Virginia last weekend...
The non-con should be part of the total body of work but instead this extra special weight is applied to it. There are so many variables in those non con games, especially when you factor in the holiday tournaments. There are a ton of advanced analytics and tools that can be used instead of just running with "the big 12 is cheating the system" narrative.
Yeah it's not like Kansas lost to West Vir...oh my god
West Virginia 91-85 Kansas (Jan 20, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Kansas Jayhawks NCAAM game, final score 91-85, from January 20, 2024 on ESPN.
www.espn.com
Yeah it's not like Kansas lost to West Vir...oh my god
West Virginia 91-85 Kansas (Jan 20, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Kansas Jayhawks NCAAM game, final score 91-85, from January 20, 2024 on ESPN.
Oh I brought that up...
