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My son was just talking to me about his friends/classmates. Many of them get an allowance and/or work. My son has a summer job but doesn’t get an allowance. He mentioned how some of the allowance/workers were talking about how they make so much money and they have X amount in their checking account.

He mentioned that most of them spend about everything they make on their car/gas money etc. Up until about a month ago my son drove one of the biggest beaters (his older brother bought his own vehicle a little bit ago so the youngest got what I had bought him for a college car) but knew he had about 3x what the other kids had in investments/savings.

He was extremely giddy with his upgrade in vehicle even though he is now about average. I’ve taught them to be happy with small improvements/upgrades and not be in competition with others. A trait that his moms family has that I’ve slowly been breaking her of.

Expenses tend to rise to meet income.

Competition is the thief of happiness.

Plus there's a certain freedom to driving beaters. Both of our rides have battle damage. So if they get additional battle damage it ain't a big deal.

Except for Kia. **** Kia.
 
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Expenses tend to rise to meet income.

Competition is the thief of happiness.

Plus there's a certain freedom to driving beaters. Both of our rides have battle damage. So if they get additional battle damage it ain't a big deal.

Except for Kia. **** Kia.
HS parking lots are like demo derbys. Kids slamming into each other and just taking off. Told my kids, if it already is dented, I will never notice a new dent so it keeps me from getting mad at you
 
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Expenses tend to rise to meet income.

Competition is the thief of happiness.

Plus there's a certain freedom to driving beaters. Both of our rides have battle damage. So if they get additional battle damage it ain't a big deal.

Except for Kia. **** Kia.
Our two vehicles are 2010s. Mine has some dents and scratches. I don't mind parking close to someone else or someone else parking close to me or the kid dragging stuff through the garage banging into them.

My wife still likes to show me things people do and have on social media. I just say great for them. I know what the actual stats show.
 

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Our two vehicles are 2010s. Mine has some dents and scratches. I don't mind parking close to someone else or someone else parking close to me or the kid dragging stuff through the garage banging into them.

My wife still likes to show me things people do and have on social media. I just say great for them. I know what the actual stats show.
Ours are 15, 11, 11, 11, 10, 08. Just sold the 97.
 

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Agriculture world would love you. Own a 160 acres, have some reserves built up for bad years, plus your machinery paid off and you get to pay a percentage of that to the government although you would make around 50k/year when you retire and rent it out.
How many farmers and small businesses are very successful, but according to the tax report, they are showing little or no profit? Lots of them are better off than most people, living the good life, but getting Obamacare and other discounts because on "paper", they show little income. I know quite a few of them.
 
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HS parking lots are like demo derbys. Kids slamming into each other and just taking off. Told my kids, if it already is dented, I will never notice a new dent so it keeps me from getting mad at you

I'm only half joking when I tell the oldest he could get our Toyota.

2015. 85,000 miles and we're averaging less than 5,000 (closer to 3,000 per year).

At worst it'll have 135k miles. Probably will be around 115,000 when he gets a license.

I don't drive it in winter. It sits in the garage 7 months of the year. It'll be worth zero dollars and perfect for a new driver.
 
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How many farmers and small businesses are very successful, but according to the tax report, they are showing little or no profit? Lots of them are better off than most people, living the good life, but getting Obamacare and other discounts because on "paper", they show little income. I know quite a few of them.
You should see their financials. Usually leveraged pretty hard for those good life ones who brag about no profit on paper (it’s dumb to show no profit as you will get hammered some year then)

First off, if they are getting Obamacare, they are not set up how they should be.
 

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I'm only half joking when I tell the oldest he could get our Toyota.

2015. 85,000 miles and we're averaging less than 5,000 (closer to 3,000 per year).

At worst it'll have 135k miles. Probably will be around 115,000 when he gets a license.

I don't drive it in winter. It sits in the garage 7 months of the year. It'll be worth zero dollars and perfect for a new driver.
My second car was a 92 Ford Ranger handed down from my grandpa in 2008, it only had 98k miles, or so he claimed it rolled over at 99,999. First car was a hand me down from my mom, 96 Ford Contour, that thing was a POS. Had to jump from 2nd to 4th because the transmission was so bad. She just gave it to a friend who replaced the transmission himself for his daughter.
 

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Read a slogan in a finance book yesterday.

Rich people stay rich by pretending to be poor.
Poor people stay poor by pretending to be rich.
Wife’s grandpa had a saying that stuck with me, “poor people have poor habits.” Is it simplistic, yes, but there is some truth to that.
She inherited a substantial amount from her grandfather and will from her folks as well. Not because they made a lot of money but because they lived minimally.
Me, I cheer on every stock market dip and shovel what I can in my retirement fund. Pension will help. Hopefully I will live long enough to retire early. 11 years to go.
 
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Log into Social Security and see what you and your employers have contributed over your working life. I know, I know it is insurance premiums, but man I could have generated a nice pot if I had been able to invest those on my own.
The problem with a privatized type of system would work our great for people that take the time to invest their money. What happens to those that do not have the knowledge, skill or just do not want to save? Is the government going to tell that 70 year old, "sorry, but you should have been saving along?" What happens to disabled people or the children of parents that are killed?

Without a doubt a person could make more investing their money in a very conservative fashion, but this program was never envisioned as an invest tool, but a way for people to have some type of income if they have an accident or ready to retire. Its only part of the overall retirement plan, not the entire plan, like many think it is.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Thinking about this as a social construct, wouldn’t it be fairest to pay out accord to quarters earned and not what you pay in? For each quarter you earned you get $7 per month in payments, or something like that. Instead of based off those who earned more, paid more in, get more. More I think about it, those who didn’t have the privilege of going to college (or smart enough) shouldn’t get held down.
 

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I assume because the maximum benefit is capped. SS wasn't designed to be a welfare program. I don't have a problem with everyone paying in the same % on all of their income, it's something I actually like to see. However, all caps should then be removed.

Wealthy paying the increased tax would receive the increased benefits that those taxes bring. Benefits will not be capped. Tax is not capped.
 

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You should see their financials. Usually leveraged pretty hard for those good life ones who brag about no profit on paper (it’s dumb to show no profit as you will get hammered some year then)

First off, if they are getting Obamacare, they are not set up how they should be.
Have to disagree, the ones I know are family or close friends, have been farming for years, in most cases the land was given to them by their parents, and they have purchased more land along the way. Every year come tax time they have to show a loss of income, so they purchase a new piece of equipment or something else.

Know one that had a really nice shed on a property he purchased, last year put in a heated floor, new windows, into the building because his wife wanted a place to sell things once a year during junk days. They do not live on the property, it and house which is empty sits on Highway 2, and great for the Southern Iowa Junk Days.
 
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Means testing also makes sense in the social security discussion. What’s a secure amount? 60k/year? Have SS phased out for those at 60k/year or more of retirement income. Makes sense. So at 20k you get the full amount. At 40k they cut it in half. I’m seeing the sense to means testing and flat rating. Seems fair.
 
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The problem with a privatized type of system would work our great for people that take the time to invest their money. What happens to those that do not have the knowledge, skill or just do not want to save? Is the government going to tell that 70 year old, "sorry, but you should have been saving along?" What happens to disabled people or the children of parents that are killed?

Without a doubt a person could make more investing their money in a very conservative fashion, but this program was never envisioned as an invest tool, but a way for people to have some type of income if they have an accident or ready to retire. Its only part of the overall retirement plan, not the entire plan, like many think it is.
There would be very limited investment options in reality with such a system because as you mention most don't understand or don't want to try to understand. Kind of like the age range deals that greatly lower risk as you get closer to an older age.
 
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Have to disagree, the ones I know are family or close friends, have been farming for years, in most cases the land was given to them by their parents, and they have purchased more land along the way. Every year come tax time they have to show a loss of income, so they purchase a new piece of equipment or something else.

Know one that had a really nice shed on a property he purchased, last year put in a heated floor, new windows, into the building because his wife wanted a place to sell things once a year during junk days. They do not live on the property, it and house which is empty sits on Highway 2, and great for the Southern Iowa Junk Days.
The days of handing equipment to kids is gone. Now when a piece moves it has to reclaimed at FMV by the parents. Or if the kid sells it them it will be caught. My CPA loves to tell the story of the no tax crowd retiring and sitting in amazement of their 400k tax bill. All income no expense the last year. Land is not depreciated (maybe a very little but basically none) so if they are buying land then they are paying taxes.
 

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Means testing also makes sense in the social security discussion. What’s a secure amount? 60k/year? Have SS phased out for those at 60k/year or more of retirement income. Makes sense. So at 20k you get the full amount. At 40k they cut it in half. I’m seeing the sense to means testing and flat rating. Seems fair.
Depending on how the next say 8 years or 10 years go, we have contemplated just using what myself and my wife might get to help some others who are elderly who are trying to live off it as a sole source of income. We've pretty much ignored it as a source of income for retirement just due to all the uncertainty. If they means test me out I don't think I would throw a tantrum about it.
 

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