More 4-man in 2024 for the Cyclones?

CoachHines3

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I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-2-5. Freyler is kinda like a LB anyways and it would be nice to have Singleton and Orange in the middle together.
because i was curious -

Freyler is 6'2 and 220

LBs:
McLaughlin 6'4 and 230
Sadowsky 6'2 and 240
Ellis 6'1 and 225
Ebel 6'4 and 223
Bacon 6'3 and 240
 

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That say this every offseason. But once the season rolls around, they’re in the 3 man front 95% of the time. It’s BS and I doubt it happens.

I don't recall it being talked about all that much by the staff.

CF talks about it an awful lot.

Then it reverts back to posters thinking ISU O only sees a 3 man in practice like they don't have scout teams running the opponents' stuff.
 

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Can teams easily transition from 3 to 4 and back to 3 during a game or does it effect the continuity of line play so that it becomes a weakness rather than a strength to do that?
 

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Can teams easily transition from 3 to 4 and back to 3 during a game or does it effect the continuity of line play so that it becomes a weakness rather than a strength to do that?

I would think it could be done situationally based on tendencies or just like goal line/short yardage packages.
 

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Can teams easily transition from 3 to 4 and back to 3 during a game or does it effect the continuity of line play so that it becomes a weakness rather than a strength to do that?
Sure as long as they are prepared.
 

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That say this every offseason. But once the season rolls around, they’re in the 3 man front 95% of the time. It’s BS and I doubt it happens.
I don't recall them ever saying it.

I'm glad they're reading my emails. We have really good DL personnel to play in a four man front, especially with Singleton, Onyedim, and Orange. You could play those guys all at the same time with a pure pass rusher opposite Onyedim and cause some real issues.
 

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I would think it could be done situationally based on tendencies or just like goal line/short yardage packages.

I absolutely think that doing something like situationally could pay off. Flip from a 3 to a 4 depending on down and distance. But, you can run into issues subbing there too if the opponent is going no huddle. IMO the best way to do this would be to have a versatile SAM LB that can play in space, but also put his hand on the ground and play RE. That's probably McLaughlin, but could also be Kenard Snyder? Of course, if a team is huddling, you can mix and match however you want.

I just think that Campbell has said pretty much every year that we will see more 4 man front and it never really happens for whatever reason. Our depth chart has had 4 DL positions this whole time. Guess I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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Lovett, Bacon and Sadowsky were playing for the first time. Hope they get better in the off-season. Then the juco kid was hurt most of last year if I remember right. We should be improved this year.

I want to see more blitzing this year. Haven't done much of that the past few seasons. I loved seeing it in the West Virginia upset where we were bringing hear from multiple positions. Our edge rushers don't get enough sacks.
I was not impressed by Sadowsky last year. His name was rarely called on a tackle and he struggled to play the run, especially early on. In fall camp, he was drawing comparisons to Mike Rose, but I saw Rose make more plays in the SDSU game than I saw Sadowsky make most of the year. He is still young, but he would have to take a massive leap in production.
 

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I absolutely think that doing something like situationally could pay off. Flip from a 3 to a 4 depending on down and distance. But, you can run into issues subbing there too if the opponent is going no huddle. IMO the best way to do this would be to have a versatile SAM LB that can play in space, but also put his hand on the ground and play RE. That's probably McLaughlin, but could also be Kenard Snyder? Of course, if a team is huddling, you can mix and match however you want.

I just think that Campbell has said pretty much every year that we will see more 4 man front and it never really happens for whatever reason. Our depth chart has had 4 DL positions this whole time. Guess I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you find this by chance? Was he talking about what the OL will face throughout the season?
 
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I would prefer a coaching staff to develop schemes that will put their players in the best situations to make a play. Meaning the scheme should fit the player. That's far better than trying to force a player to fit a scheme.
Good point. Thats really why we switched to a 3 man front in the first place. D-line depth was lower, LB talent was very high and DB depth was stronger.
 
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I absolutely think that doing something like situationally could pay off. Flip from a 3 to a 4 depending on down and distance. But, you can run into issues subbing there too if the opponent is going no huddle. IMO the best way to do this would be to have a versatile SAM LB that can play in space, but also put his hand on the ground and play RE. That's probably McLaughlin, but could also be Kenard Snyder? Of course, if a team is huddling, you can mix and match however you want.
The bolded line is an interesting question with the helmet communication that's coming to college football. Some teams might go to the huddle more than previously since it will be easier to communicate complicated calls directly to the QB to communicate them to the offense, and then they avoid the risk of calls being stolen. But other teams might just go faster since they won't have to wait for signs to come in from the sideline and the QB can yell out calls to the offense.
 
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Have to wonder if the staff also took notes about the way things ended last season on that side of the ball. Maybe they realized it’s time for a revamp.
For sure. Memphis o-line was bad, real bad, and they dominated us upfront.
 

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I was not impressed by Sadowsky last year. His name was rarely called on a tackle and he struggled to play the run, especially early on. In fall camp, he was drawing comparisons to Mike Rose, but I saw Rose make more plays in the SDSU game than I saw Sadowsky make most of the year. He is still young, but he would have to take a massive leap in production.
He was making bad reads which is normal for a freshman. He has the physicality but I'm not sure he's fast enough to play in space.
 

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Lovett, Bacon and Sadowsky were playing for the first time. Hope they get better in the off-season. Then the juco kid was hurt most of last year if I remember right. We should be improved this year.

I want to see more blitzing this year. Haven't done much of that the past few seasons. I loved seeing it in the West Virginia upset where we were bringing hear from multiple positions. Our edge rushers don't get enough sacks.
We haven't matched that performance since as far as the opposing QB being completely overwhelmed and clueless. Our blitzing has been a major weakness since Rose graduated. It's especially bad against Iowa unless Petras is QB.
 

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