When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 57 7.0%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 144 17.6%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 184 22.4%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 427 52.1%

  • Total voters
    820

Cyhig

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I'm saying that roads are a universally important of our society. Everything that has sales tax should share the burden of paying for the roads, not just gas specifically.
Good or bad, some states allow cities/counties to a sales tax for road improvements. I know quite a few counites in MN have such a tax. Of course, MN also has a sales tax for just about everything. Here's the list of all the sales taxes for Minneapolis, for example

1) 6.875% state tax. 2) 0.15% county tax 3) 0.50% city tax 4) 0.5% County Transit Improvement tax 5) 0.75% Metro Area Transportation tax 6) 0.25% Metro Area Tax for Housing

Total: 9.025% sales tax rate with 6 different sales tax codes
 

dmclone

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Good or bad, some states allow cities/counties to a sales tax for road improvements. I know quite a few counites in MN have such a tax. Of course, MN also has a sales tax for just about everything. Here's the list of all the sales taxes for Minneapolis, for example

1) 6.875% state tax. 2) 0.15% county tax 3) 0.50% city tax 4) 0.5% County Transit Improvement tax 5) 0.75% Metro Area Transportation tax 6) 0.25% Metro Area Tax for Housing

Total: 9.025% sales tax rate with 6 different sales tax codes
At least the rest of their taxes are low./
 
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VeloClone

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Good or bad, some states allow cities/counties to a sales tax for road improvements. I know quite a few counites in MN have such a tax. Of course, MN also has a sales tax for just about everything. Here's the list of all the sales taxes for Minneapolis, for example

1) 6.875% state tax. 2) 0.15% county tax 3) 0.50% city tax 4) 0.5% County Transit Improvement tax 5) 0.75% Metro Area Transportation tax 6) 0.25% Metro Area Tax for Housing

Total: 9.025% sales tax rate with 6 different sales tax codes
For clarity, the 0.15% Hennepin County tax was instituted to pay off the county's share of the construction of Target Field (Twins stadium). It is set to sunset before the end of the decade but there is already a push to extend it and siphon some of it off to upgrade healthcare infrastructure, most notably major work on HCMC (Hennepin County Medical Center).
 
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Not sure about that
Yeah, over 2.5x the highest rate in Iowa doesn't scream lower taxes to me.

I definitely had sticker shock when I moved from Iowa to Minnesota some 25+ years ago. I had never had to think about state taxes before but when I moved here I had to fill out separate withholding to make sure I didn't have a big state tax bill at the end of the year.

To be clear, I am not saying it is either good or bad, just different. Each government funds itself differently and makes different choices as to what services it offers and to what level.
 
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Cyhig

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Yeah, over 2.5x the highest rate in Iowa doesn't scream lower taxes to me.

I definitely had sticker shock when I moved from Iowa to Minnesota some 25+ years ago. I had never had to think about state taxes before but when I moved here I had to fill out separate withholding to make sure I didn't have a big state tax bill at the end of the year.

To be clear, I am not saying it is either good or bad, just different. Each government funds itself differently and makes different choices as to what services it offers and to what level.
100% agree. If the state gasoline tax isn't generating enough funds for road repairs/improvements, then the state can find/create other tax revenues for these projects. That's up to the states and local governments. And they will all have different taxes/methods.
 

VTXCyRyD

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I’m amazed that “10 years or never” is plus 50%.
Honestly, 2 years ago that might have been me. Then, I drove a Model S one day, decided I wanted a Model S because of the range, tech, acceleration, etc. After owning it for getting close to a year now, the range issue is much less of a concern than it was when I didn't understand that it only matters a few days out of the year and there are plenty of Tesla Super Charger scattered around. A majority of the time I don't use more than 30% of the battery's capacity a day. It also had the best battery warranty out there. It's also less of a concern when the you realize in most battery replacement stats they include the early Nissan Leafs that had no battery cooling and some early Teslas that had the battery poorly sealed from water ingress.

Now with this knowledge I likely would have bough a Genesis G80 Electrified. Less range, similar power, I like the interior better, can/will be able to use the Tesla SC. Maybe even the Kia EV6 or Ioniq 5 or BMW i5 or Blazer EV. So many options.

I still stand by that they aren't for everyone. If you can't charge at home, probably don't get one. If you tow more than 100 miles regularly, probably don't get one, unless you're like me a keep a crappy old truck around for hauling/towing.
 

Turn2

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Yeah, I was kidding.

Here’s how Iowa’s 3.8% compares to neighboring states’ highest tax rates:

Illinois: 4.95% (flat tax)

Minnesota: 9.85%

Missouri: 4.8%

Nebraska: 5.84%

South Dakota: no state income tax

Wisconsin: 7.65%
Well now, since we've introduced politics and deception to the thread, just let me say this...
 

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Tesla just introduced a Model 3 LR RWD for 35k after tax credit. Also has a 363 mile range. A little bit slower but RWD really seems to improve efficiency.
Why is that? Does the RWD lift the front end a bit and reduce friction?

Surely we have a MechE around here somewhere to explain that.
 

mramseyISU

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Why is that? Does the RWD lift the front end a bit and reduce friction?

Surely we have a MechE around here somewhere to explain that.
Probably more to do with the mass of the vehicle than anything but you also reduce how much heat you need to reject by getting rid of a source of a lot of heat in that second motor.
 
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slowly starting to look for a new vehicle and ditch my 2011 nissan altima that ive used to drive to/from work.

im looking either at a 2023 nissan rogue, kia sportage, or a VW tiguan.

i want a compact SUV with decent gas mileage.

we also own a 2022 vw atlas so we have the bigger (3rd row) suv already so don't need something that big.

I like our vw atlas and thats why I thought about the tiguan.

anyone have any of these?
 

mramseyISU

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slowly starting to look for a new vehicle and ditch my 2011 nissan altima that ive used to drive to/from work.

im looking either at a 2023 nissan rogue, kia sportage, or a VW tiguan.

i want a compact SUV with decent gas mileage.

we also own a 2022 vw atlas so we have the bigger (3rd row) suv already so don't need something that big.

I like our vw atlas and thats why I thought about the tiguan.

anyone have any of these?
If you like your Atlas you'll probably like a Tiguan. I'd look at a Rav4 hybrid or a Honda CR-V hybrid too. My wife owned a Rav4 and we got 38mpg all day long city and highway, we got rid of it because the kids got too tall to rid around comfortably in the back seat (high school aged over 6'). I had a CR-V hybrid as a rental for a week and it was good except I hated the pushbutton gear selector.
 

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slowly starting to look for a new vehicle and ditch my 2011 nissan altima that ive used to drive to/from work.

im looking either at a 2023 nissan rogue, kia sportage, or a VW tiguan.

i want a compact SUV with decent gas mileage.

we also own a 2022 vw atlas so we have the bigger (3rd row) suv already so don't need something that big.

I like our vw atlas and thats why I thought about the tiguan.

anyone have any of these?
Before the Tesla, my wife drove a 2018 VW Tiguan SEL-P. It was a nice sized vehicle that was reliable. With that said, I HATED the motor. It was gutless and super loud. Maybe they've improved this in the last 6 years but it was the 2.0T and it was terrible. Looks like it still has the same motor with the same horsepower.

Also, why are you not considering a real EV. Your use case sounds like it would be ideal.
 
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Before the Tesla, my wife drove a 2018 VW Tiguan SEL-P. It was a nice sized vehicle that was reliable. With that said, I HATED the motor. It was gutless and super loud. Maybe they've improved this in the last 6 years but it was the 2.0T and it was terrible. Looks like it still has the same motor with the same horsepower.

Also, why are you not considering a real EV. Your use case sounds like it would be ideal.
budget wise, i don't think im willing to go into the full EV territory. I know there are some that may fit my budget but im not a fan of them.
 

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Tesla just introduced a Model 3 LR RWD for 35k after tax credit. Also has a 363 mile range. A little bit slower but RWD really seems to improve efficiency.

That’s a crazy cheap and convenient new car for anybody who doesn’t deal with a lot of snow, especially in a high gas price state where they could easily pocket $200/mo gas savings.
 
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budget wise, i don't think im willing to go into the full EV territory. I know there are some that may fit my budget but im not a fan of them.

What’s your local gas price? What do you need in any vehicle?

The budget question entirely relies on where you live. I’m pocketing $170-200/mo on gas savings.
 

CoachHines3

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What’s your local gas price? What do you need in any vehicle?

The budget question entirely relies on where you live. I’m pocketing $170-200/mo on gas savings.
yeah, gas around here is anywhere between $3.00-$3.35 on any given day, from what ive seen. I know in the long run, its probably better.

i know absolutely nothing about EV. I live on about 3 miles worth of gravel and in Iowa so will have snowy/muddy/washed out gravel roads to deal with. However, I use my truck on those days.