Big 12 Conference Realignment

[2speedy1]

Do you not think TCU would have gotten in in 2022? They lost the CCG and still made the 4 team playoff.

There is a good chance if their were auto bids that year, they would have been left out because the actual champ would have gotten the auto bid. No one really knows though for sure.

The issue is.... The Big 12 MAY get a second team once in a while. While the B1SEC will ALWAYS get AT LEAST 3 each. The SEC and B1G starting the season with 99% of the top 10 rankings just stacks the deck they all play top games, for media value, and so if they lose...they lose to a top 10 team etc.

They get more money, they get more visibility, they get more promotion, they get more playoff spots, all this keeps them more valuable, and keeps them in the eyes of everyone, including recruits. Its a rigged system from the start.

Then when we have proof of how BS the system is to break all the rules to make sure one of their darlings stays relevant, and gets in the playoff etc. We get told "well that year dont count, we dont recognize it" Why because it just proves how much some get special treatment and they dont want to admit it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I think the path where the Big 12 could get screwed is if the conference has a 2-loss team.

A 1-loss or undefeated B12 team will make the CFP. A 3-loss team won’t make it. A two-loss team is probably going to be on the bubble and is 50/50 if they make it.

2 loss team who’s second loss is the Big12 championship game is most likely still in. Problem with making that guess is it’s largely determined by how all the other teams are doing and what the resume looks like. It’s really impossible to make any claim before looking at how the season unfolds.

 

[BryceC]

If the second and 3rd place teams got in there is still plenty of room for a second place ISU.

And again when you get in just win the games, clear path with the conference champions

The 2nd place Big 12 team will never get in. It’s the big 10/Sec invitational. Be honest with yourself.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The 2nd place Big 12 team will never get in. It’s the big 10/Sec invitational. Be honest with yourself.

Yeah I’ve clearly heard that loud and clear from people on here and I’ll happily put a we will donation bet on it that it will happen.

If you run into a situation like 2022 you would get TCU and KSU in easily. Run that type of season back and it’s simple to see the path

 

[Kinch]

Meanwhile Big 10 kicks off its soccer season with a brawl.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Meanwhile Big 10 kicks off its soccer season with a brawl.

Damn she threw that punch quick!

 

[MugNight]

2 loss team who’s second loss is the Big12 championship game is most likely still in. Problem with making that guess is it’s largely determined by how all the other teams are doing and what the resume looks like. It’s really impossible to make any claim before looking at how the season unfolds.

I am hopeful. The weirdest thing to me is that the conference winner and runner up theoretically have a chance for a rematch if they both progress.

My thought is, “I just beat you on Dec 7. Why are we playing again and why is this game more important?” Like is there any reason UGA and Alabama should play each other twice in a 4 week time period?

I think there’s a path to eliminating conf title games completely or implementing Bball style conference tournaments for seeding.

 

[BryceC]

Yeah I’ve clearly heard that loud and clear from people on here and I’ll happily put a we will donation bet on it that it will happen.

If you run into a situation like 2022 you would get TCU and KSU in easily. Run that type of season back and it’s simple to see the path

The likelihood of that scenario is MUCH lower now that there are a greater number of teams in the SEC/Big 10.

Just my opinion. I think Big 12 teams will get no benefit if the doubt without OU/UT either.

We’ll see. I guess let me put it this way - what is more likely? 5 SEC teams or 2 Big 12 teams?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The likelihood of that scenario is MUCH lower now that there are a greater number of teams in the SEC/Big 10.

Just my opinion. I think Big 12 teams will get no benefit if the doubt without OU/UT either.

We’ll see. I guess let me put it this way - what is more likely? 5 SEC teams or 2 Big 12 teams?

100% agree there won’t be any benefit of the doubt. That’s why the non con and playoff performances have to be a huge focus.

5 SEC teams is very unlikely most years unless the autobid criteria changes. There are only 4 autobids plus the G5. That leaves 7 spots left. I would imagine a good number of years will have ND. Do I think out of the 6 remaining spots 4 of them will regularly go to the SEC, no I do not.

Again the guessing games are fun but for a 12 team playoff the seasons results are going to have a major impact. If WVU comes out and beats Penn state and you guys beat Iowa that’s going to elevate the conference. But teams still have to win their games and control the losses. A bunch of 9-3 teams won’t cut it but get a couple 1-2 loss teams going and that’s going to end up with multipule bids.

 

[t-noah]

Actually WVU blew the heavily favored UGA Bulldogs out of the stadium. I was there. Most of the UGA fans left at the half or shortly afterwards. WVU 28 UGA 0 at the half if memory serves.
Only RROD playing not to lose in the 4th made it close.

Anyway, I'll bet that was a fun game.

And playing not to lose, too conservative, prevent D, etc., often times can backfire, yes.

 

[RustShack]

There is a good chance if their were auto bids that year, they would have been left out because the actual champ would have gotten the auto bid. No one really knows though for sure.

The issue is.... The Big 12 MAY get a second team once in a while. While the B1SEC will ALWAYS get AT LEAST 3 each. The SEC and B1G starting the season with 99% of the top 10 rankings just stacks the deck they all play top games, for media value, and so if they lose...they lose to a top 10 team etc.

They get more money, they get more visibility, they get more promotion, they get more playoff spots, all this keeps them more valuable, and keeps them in the eyes of everyone, including recruits. Its a rigged system from the start.

Then when we have proof of how BS the system is to break all the rules to make sure one of their darlings stays relevant, and gets in the playoff etc. We get told "well that year dont count, we dont recognize it" Why because it just proves how much some get special treatment and they dont want to admit it.

Is this a joke? You think a team that made the four team playoff would have been left out if it were a 12 team playoff that year because a different Big12 school would have gotten the autobid?

The only way the Big12 isn’t getting a second team in the playoffs is if the best non autobid is 9-3 or worse. If the Big12 has 2 or 3 schools with 0-1 losses, they are getting 2 or 3 playoff spots. Now there probably won’t be many seasons like that, but two can be pretty common.

 

[t-noah]

The likelihood of that scenario is MUCH lower now that there are a greater number of teams in the SEC/Big 10.

Just my opinion. I think Big 12 teams will get no benefit if the doubt without OU/UT either.

We’ll see. I guess let me put it this way - what is more likely? 5 SEC teams or 2 Big 12 teams?

Agree. P3 & P4 can be told one thing, while the chances favoring P2 are greater. Who are you going to put your money on when P2 has the edge in preseason rankings, media bias, recruiting and monetary advantages? Likely the selection committee will be biased towards P2 as well.

P2 are laying the groundwork to entrench all their advantages, all the while saying the Big 12 will have a chance (maybe) to get 2 teams in the playoff, "it could happen". "But, we have a greater chance to get 4 or 5 teams in." Ha. Seems fair.

 

[goody2012]

The 2nd place Big 12 team will never get in. It’s the big 10/Sec invitational. Be honest with yourself.

You're saying there will never be a situation where the 2nd best Big 12 team gets in over the 4th best Big 10 or 4th best SEC team. That seems very pessimistic.

 

[goody2012]

The likelihood of that scenario is MUCH lower now that there are a greater number of teams in the SEC/Big 10.

Just my opinion. I think Big 12 teams will get no benefit if the doubt without OU/UT either.

We’ll see. I guess let me put it this way - what is more likely? 5 SEC teams or 2 Big 12 teams?

I'd say close to 50/50

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Agree. P3 & P4 can be told one thing, while the chances favoring P2 are greater. Who are you going to put your money on when P2 has the edge in preseason rankings, media bias, recruiting and monetary advantages? Likely the selection committee will be biased towards P2 as well.

P2 are laying the groundwork to entrench all their advantages, all the while saying the Big 12 will have a chance (maybe) to get 2 teams in the playoff, "it could happen". "But, we have a greater chance to get 4 or 5 teams in." Ha. Seems fair.

But those advantages have always existed, that didn’t stop ISU from getting a preseason top ten ranking in 2021 because you earned it on the field. The reason the preseason rankings are so bad this year is because the Big12 had a really rough year last year outside of OUT. The only team returning that had double digit wins is OSU and they lost to south Alabama. With OUT gone more teams should move in and finish with double digit wins and be ranked going into the following season.

 

[2speedy1]

Is this a joke? You think a team that made the four team playoff would have been left out if it were a 12 team playoff that year because a different Big12 school would have gotten the autobid?

The only way the Big12 isn’t getting a second team in the playoffs is if the best non autobid is 9-3 or worse. If the Big12 has 2 or 3 schools with 0-1 losses, they are getting 2 or 3 playoff spots. Now there probably won’t be many seasons like that, but two can be pretty common.

You must not have been paying much attention over the last decade +/-.

You are arguing about 1 year, 1 single year out of how many? 1 year we may have gotten 2 teams in.

I didnt say that year we wouldnt have gotten 2 in, I said we will never know for SURE. Especially how things have went in years past.

I have little doubt we probably would have gotten 2 in that year, but I also believe there have been some pretty ridiculous things to say nothing is for sure. Seem to remember them throwing every rule out the window to make a spot for OSU a few years ago. I seem to remember 2 teams from the B12 deserving a spot so.... what did they do, made it so Neither got a spot. Nothing with these biased jackwagons is for sure.

I have also said I am sure we will get a second team once in a while, not never, but the B1SEC will get at least 3 or more a lot more than we get 2. My guess at least one of those gets at least 4 more than we get 2. Unless something changes, with expansion or changes to the playoff etc.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[PickSix]

This tracks with other stuff I’ve heard today in that no final decision is imminent. I can’t help but wonder who leaked the news on Friday afternoon and what the purpose was…

 

[FriendlySpartan]

This tracks with other stuff I’ve heard today in that no final decision is imminent. I can’t help but wonder who leaked the news on Friday afternoon and what the purpose was…

Doubt their was much of a purpose, the moment that many AD’s are getting involved it’s going to come out from somewhere.

 

[PickSix]

Doubt their was much of a purpose, the moment that many AD’s are getting involved it’s going to come out from somewhere.

I don’t know. Multiple big name reporters all jumped in with similar details at the same time. Definitely felt like a coordinated leak as opposed to random tidbits spilling from individual ADs. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but in the fact that Marchand, Dellenger, and McMurphy all had stories ready to drop on a Friday afternoon seemed odd to me...

Maybe they were just waiting on the Endeavor check to clear???