When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[CascadeClone]

That Edmunds survey that 57% of EV owners go back to ICE is the most absurd twisted thing ever. EVs are so common in my neighborhood now and it's like 30 out of 30 people I know who love it so much they absolutely hate the idea of going back to ICE. Sure that's anecdotal but there's no way everybody I know is radically different than the general population, especially consider the kind of person who is an early EV adopter probably shares some things in common.

That surprised me too. I wondered about the specific language, and details. Looked for the study/report, but could not find it.

I wonder it if was "actually go back to ICE" or "would consider". Is purchase price an issue? Is it because their needs changed (eg younger buyer now has kids so needs an SUV)? It just begs a lot of questions about the survey to me.

If I had an EV, whether I loved it or not, I would certainly CONSIDER replacing with EV, or ICE, or hybrid.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

They also fail to mention this is charger dependent. Regardless of how energy dense the battery is it takes a certain amount of power to move a lump of steel/aluminum/meat down the road. The lighting I occasionally drive around is like 3kW/mile or something like that. A way denser battery doesn't change that so in order to make this mythical 600 miles of range in 10 minutes pan out you need for that lightning to figure out how to shove 1800 kW of power into the battery in those 10 minutes. My brain is too fried at the end of the day to do that math to figure out the charger size but it'd look something like when Clark Grizwald turned his Christmas lights on.

EDIT: Like I said brain is fried this afternoon. That truck would take a 300 kW battery to hit 600 miles not 1800kW. It's a 100kW battery with a 200 mile range. The charger is still huge, to get that kind of range in that truck charging for an hour would be close to 300 kW so the charger is like 1800kW to do it in 10 minutes. I stand by my Grizwald Christmas light analogy however.

 

[3GenClone]

I'll be in the market for a new car within the next year. Been looking at the CR-V Hybrid and that's likely what I'll end up getting, but I'm curious about the new Honda Prologue. I would be willing to wait 2 years if the Prologue has the features I need and can move to a 100% EV.

Wanted to follow up and share I got my 2025 CRV hybrid last week. Currently getting the same highway mileage I was getting in my '12 civic (~36mpg), but I had to have the windows down and ac off in the civic, so the ride is much more comfortable. MPG goes up as soon as I'm in town. Very impressed so far.

 

[HFCS]

That surprised me too. I wondered about the specific language, and details. Looked for the study/report, but could not find it.

I wonder it if was "actually go back to ICE" or "would consider". Is purchase price an issue? Is it because their needs changed (eg younger buyer now has kids so needs an SUV)? It just begs a lot of questions about the survey to me.

If I had an EV, whether I loved it or not, I would certainly CONSIDER replacing with EV, or ICE, or hybrid.

We talked about it here many pages ago but it was pretty intentionally twisted. Someone who has an EV and an ICE is "going back to ICE" or someone who has an ICE car as part of their job is "going back to ICE" and when it's that biased in how it's framed I question the entire methodology. I can't remember if your "would consider" is part of it too but I would guess it is.

It's being used all over the internet to spread some lie of "everyone who bought an EV hates it!" when it's really clear even anecdotally that the vast majority who actually buy one love it for all sorts of reasons. I do think someone who rents one without being prepared or knowledgable about it might not want to rent one again, or that someone who bought it with no way to charge at home/work would have regrets. People who buy/lease one that have their own place to charge seem 99% in love with the switch.

 

[VeloClone]

They also fail to mention this is charger dependent. Regardless of how energy dense the battery is it takes a certain amount of power to move a lump of steel/aluminum/meat down the road. The lighting I occasionally drive around is like 3kW/mile or something like that. A way denser battery doesn't change that so in order to make this mythical 600 miles of range in 10 minutes pan out you need for that lightning to figure out how to shove 1800 kW of power into the battery in those 10 minutes. My brain is too fried at the end of the day to do that math to figure out the charger size but it'd look something like when Clark Grizwald turned his Christmas lights on.

EDIT: Like I said brain is fried this afternoon. That truck would take a 300 kW battery to hit 600 miles not 1800kW. It's a 100kW battery with a 200 mile range. The charger is still huge, to get that kind of range in that truck charging for an hour would be close to 300 kW so the charger is like 1800kW to do it in 10 minutes. I stand by my Grizwald Christmas light analogy however.

Someone posted this in response to the wrestling trophy, but I'm stealing it:

1800kW charger?

 

[mramseyISU]

Someone posted this in response to the wrestling trophy, but I'm stealing it:

1800kW charger?

Yeah it’s a stupid big charger you’d need for this. The biggest ones I know of are being tested for formula E and I think they’re 650kW.

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

AP News story about a Tesla semi fire in California. The driver was not hurt thank goodness. But it took 50,000 gallons of water to put the fire out. I would hate to pay that water bill. They even flew on some fire retardant around the area. Would fumes from the fire be toxic?

 

[dmclone]

AP News story about a Tesla semi fire in California. The driver was not hurt thank goodness. But it took 50,000 gallons of water to put the fire out. I would hate to pay that water bill. They even flew on some fire retardant around the area. Would fumes from the fire be toxic?

That tracks with everything I've read. EV's are a lot less likely to catch fire than an ICE vehicle, but when they do, it takes a **** load of water to put them out. 1000 degrees!

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

U of Miami is researching this with DOT. Gas vehicles have 1500 fires per 100,000 vehicles. Electric vehicles have 25 per 100,000. The study is on going. They are testing the fire fighters the air and the soil and The water used to put the fire out.

 

[simply1]

That tracks with everything I've read. EV's are a lot less likely to catch fire than an ICE vehicle, but when they do, it takes a **** load of water to put them out. 1000 degrees!

I wonder how that compares with semi trucks, it seems like the problem in this case might be how large the battery has to be for a semi.

 

[KnappShack]

Which one is the cyber truck

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Seeing quite a few of these in the wild now.

Like a dumpster ****** a Tonka toy. They stand out, but not for the right reasons.

 

[IcSyU]

Firefighters have ridiculously high instances of cancer. Just assume anything up in flames is releasing carcinogens.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Seeing quite a few of these in the wild now.

Like a dumpster ****** a Tonka toy. They stand out, but not for the right reasons.

If we are going to count electric toy cars than I am probably the first here to have owned an electric car. The electric Aqua Car was a promo at DX filling stations back in the early 1960's. I'll count this one since it is battery powered and not AC like my Strombecker slot cars.

 

[CycloneNick]

I’m currently considering a Model Y order before October 1st for the promo 1.99% APR. For those that have an EV, what level 2 charger do you recommend? I have solar with an Enphase 14 KW battery. Should I go with an Enphase charger?

 

[dmclone]

I’m currently considering a Model Y order before October 1st for the promo 1.99% APR. For those that have an EV, what level 2 charger do you recommend? I have solar with an Enphase 14 KW battery. Should I go with an Enphase charger?

I bought the $450 Tesla one. No complaints, not sure how it could be better. Not sure if it works better with the app or not since I've never used anything else. I also don't have solar so probably ignore what I said.

 

[Clonehomer]

U of Miami is researching this with DOT. Gas vehicles have 1500 fires per 100,000 vehicles. Electric vehicles have 25 per 100,000. The study is on going. They are testing the fire fighters the air and the soil and The water used to put the fire out.

I think the concerns around EV fires, at least for me, is that they have been occurring while charging rather than operating. So they’re likely to take out your house as well if they’re charging in the garage. Totalling an ICE vehicle on the side of the road certainly isn’t ideal, but I’d prefer it contained to the car.

I don’t know what kind of suppression systems are out there, but it seems a foam system that was limited to your garage or even a specific parking spot could be reasonable for residential applications.

 

[CascadeClone]

I’m currently considering a Model Y order before October 1st for the promo 1.99% APR. For those that have an EV, what level 2 charger do you recommend? I have solar with an Enphase 14 KW battery. Should I go with an Enphase charger?

Are you going to try to use the car as a backup house battery as well? You might need the enphase charger for that but idk.
Ive been thinking of doing this, but prob a year or more away from doing it.

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

I think the concerns around EV fires, at least for me, is that they have been occurring while charging rather than operating. So they’re likely to take out your house as well if they’re charging in the garage. Totalling an ICE vehicle on the side of the road certainly isn’t ideal, but I’d prefer it contained to the car.

I don’t know what kind of suppression systems are out there, but it seems a foam system that was limited to your garage or even a specific parking spot could be reasonable for residential applications.

There was a foam product that fire departments used for awhile, but it had known cancer causing properties. There are new foam products coming, one is a soybean product.

 

[Lafaester54]

Based on Swedish statistics: .04% of the car fires are EV. Adjusted for miles traveled too.

 

[simply1]