When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 56 6.8%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 145 17.7%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 184 22.4%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 427 52.1%

  • Total voters
    820

cycloneG

Well-Known Member
Mar 7, 2007
15,979
16,617
113
Off the grid
How am I treating it like ICE? There are many garages, including one on a job I was on, where I could park in the garage and charge it during work. The price still ended up being similar to the Tesla supercharging prices. I used a supercharger on average of 2x a month. If it's going to cost $1,200 for permitting and install of the proper plug in a garage after material, and it's $10 less than gas to charge, it still takes 2-3 years to recoup your money spent to put in a charging station.

Another point that I didn't bring up before was the car taxes in Arlington County were insane. Car values for EV's were massively overvalued, causing me to pay a lot of money every year on my vehicle tax, Vehicle registration costs for an EV in the state of Virginia are $128 a year and an ICE vehicle is roughly $36. Financially the math doesn't favor EV's right now and you won't save money buying one. Not until it's cheaper to buy one.

If you aren't charging at home, you're missing out on the biggest advantage of owning an EV. It's more convenient and cheaper than charging somewhere else.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: dmclone

BryceC

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Mar 23, 2006
26,463
19,635
113
Living near DC I lived in a high rise condo when I bought the car. Putting a charging station in my spot that is 3 floors below grade would've cost me an arm and a leg to do (core drill through concrete, run 300'+ of copper, etc).. I just bought a townhouse but the price to permit and install was high. I would only charge to 80 or 85% at the superchargers as a way to not destroy the battery. Unfortunately, if you don't have a charger at home then it's either use a supercharger or charge at some other brand generic charging station and it takes hours to get charged up to 80-85%.

I think you’ll find most people in this thread have said many times EV’s are convenient for homeowners but not renters. Yeah I’d say your use case would not support an EV, and I would have told you not to get one prior to your purchase knowing this.
 

Clonehomer

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
26,833
24,941
113

wxman1

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jul 2, 2008
19,938
16,320
113
Cedar Rapids
Had a Dodge Hornet PHEV as a rental this week, no bueno. Small battery life, I think it was just 30 miles or so, My biggest complaint was the turning signals being a wonky design. My hotel had a chargepoint station but I believe it was just a level 1 charger as it was insanely slow.

Would like to do it again with a better EV with more range and a better charging situation.
 

CycloneEggie

Well-Known Member
Oct 28, 2011
476
535
93
Had a Dodge Hornet PHEV as a rental this week, no bueno. Small battery life, I think it was just 30 miles or so, My biggest complaint was the turning signals being a wonky design. My hotel had a chargepoint station but I believe it was just a level 1 charger as it was insanely slow.

Would like to do it again with a better EV with more range and a better charging situation.
A lot of PHEV don’t have a very long electric range. The idea is you can do most of your day to day or even commute travel on a charge and still have the benefit of gas for longer trips
 
Last edited:

dmclone

Well-Known Member
Oct 20, 2006
21,592
5,935
113
50131
A lot of PHEV don’t have a very long electric range. The idea is you can do most of your day to day or even commute travel on a charge and still hace the benefit of gas for longer trips
I've seen studies where most people that have PHEV's don't even charge them. Not sure why you would buy a vehicle that is worse in nearly every way to it's gas counterpart if you don't charge it.


 

simply1

Rec Center HOF
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jun 10, 2009
45,744
34,489
113
Pdx
  • Agree
Reactions: mramseyISU

snowcraig2.0

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Nov 2, 2007
12,550
10,352
113
47
Cedar Rapids, IA
Had a Dodge Hornet PHEV as a rental this week, no bueno. Small battery life, I think it was just 30 miles or so, My biggest complaint was the turning signals being a wonky design. My hotel had a chargepoint station but I believe it was just a level 1 charger as it was insanely slow.

Would like to do it again with a better EV with more range and a better charging situation.
We have the Hornet RT plus. It took a bit of getting used to, and a few critical software updates, But now my wife absolutely loves it.
 

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
75,745
66,133
113
LA LA Land
Had a Dodge Hornet PHEV as a rental this week, no bueno. Small battery life, I think it was just 30 miles or so, My biggest complaint was the turning signals being a wonky design. My hotel had a chargepoint station but I believe it was just a level 1 charger as it was insanely slow.

Would like to do it again with a better EV with more range and a better charging situation.

I don't know anything about that car but my PHEV only had 18 mile electric range and none on the highway at high speed. It was still pretty awesome saving me tons of money on gas with gas hitting $6.20 at one point during the three years I had it.

The key was that I leased it and wasn't stuck with all the maintenance of an aging hybrid car. I'd guess even that paltry 18 mile range covered 70-80% of my driving. I had to plug in every single night though. If I had something like Rav4 prime with more of a 40 mile electric range I'm sure it would have been upwards of 90% electric. The other thing is with the small battery even a level one charger can charge up twice a day sometimes, so my 18 was sometimes 36 and a Rav4 prime could sometimes be 80.

With an actual EV I'm only plugging in half the nights and that's only because I only have a level 1 charger. If I had a level 2 charger at home I'd probably plug in 3-4 nights a month.

In the end I'm glad I upgraded from PHEV to EV, but I don't regret going with a PHEV at all especially because I was never on the hook for maintenance of a high mileage hybrid and the EV selection was incredibly limited 3 years ago compared to when I shopped this time. The PHEV I had and the EV I have now are incredibly similar vehicles in terms of what they do and in 2020 or 2021 there just weren't a lot of offerings outside of Tesla.

A PHEV demands someone can charge at home even more than an EV. It's really pointless vs a hybrid if you don't have a garage to plug into, but any old outlet will do. As a rental it's probably pointless.
 
  • Informative
  • Like
Reactions: BigCyFan and wxman1

ISUAlum2002

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
22,888
5,141
113
Toon Town, IA
In town for work is wonderful. What would happen in an evacuation situation as is happening in Florida currently? Still need a back up gas powered vehicle.
No you don't. Charge up to 100% before hitting the road, and the Supercharger stations are all still operational along the main evacuation routes to refuel EV's. Can't say the same for many of the gas stations. Also, if you're stopped on the highway, EV's use practically no power. Even running A/C doesn't draw much from the HV battery. The traction motors are the main draw, and putting along slowly is more efficient in an EV than a gas powered vehicle.

Power isn't out there yet. And gotta remember that gas stations require power to pump gas into vehicles. You can only store up so much gas in portable cans.
 

CycloneSpinning

Well-Known Member
Mar 31, 2022
1,052
1,350
113
44
Very exciting news from the DOT.

See, I struggle with this. I’m not opposed to EVs, but it needs to happen organically through private investments in my opinion. I’m just not convinced something like this is worth $16 million of tax money. I can think of many other things I would like to see government funds put toward.
 

CYedUp

Well-Known Member
Dec 18, 2021
2,890
2,203
113
40
No you don't. Charge up to 100% before hitting the road, and the Supercharger stations are all still operational along the main evacuation routes to refuel EV's. Can't say the same for many of the gas stations. Also, if you're stopped on the highway, EV's use practically no power. Even running A/C doesn't draw much from the HV battery. The traction motors are the main draw, and putting along slowly is more efficient in an EV than a gas powered vehicle.

Power isn't out there yet. And gotta remember that gas stations require power to pump gas into vehicles. You can only store up so much gas in portable cans.
Full charge won't matter... Took 7 hours for me last night to drive what should have taken under 3. Also there are no charging stations or gas for that matter on alligator Alley to Miami.
Not to get off topic with evs but I am eyeballing the new kia carnival hybrid. Such a nice looking vehicle with all the amenities.
 

Latest posts

Help Support Us

Become a patron