Amen, we loved when Texas and Oklahoma played us in November...evened the playing field. Those SEC schools are not geared for playing in freezing temperatures.
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Thank you for doing the "leg work." Furthermore, that is a mighty tough slog for Boise State. When BSU gets boatraced in a playoff game they can point to the gauntlet, that is their schedule, and claim how it "wore them down."
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Would love to host one of these SEC frauds at Trice. Alabama is sloppy and undisciplined. Georgia slightly better but Beck sucks. Texas we know all too well is a fake ID. Tennessee I think is the only decent team of the bunch.
I don't see any way that the Big12 gets 2 teams in. Felt like it was going to take a ND loss or series of SEC losses in rivalry games to spotlight the SEC is leaning heavy on past success to get 4 playoff teams. But in the end, South Carolina beat Clemson, Georgia beat GT and Florida beat FSU. Only Louisville beat Kentucky.
I hope I'm wrong, but I see it going this way:
Big10- Oregon, Penn State, Indiana & Ohio State
SEC - Georgia, Texas, Tennessee & Bama
Notre Dame
ACC CCG Champ: Clemson or SMU
Big12 CCG Champ: ISU or ASU
G5 Highest Rated Champ: Boise State or Tulane or UNLV
IMO the bubble team is Bama with a 9-3 record. Yormark brought up SOS last night and the fact the SEC and ACC only play 8 conference games AND almost all SEC/ACC teams only play 9 Power 4 conference games. Of the 8 SEC teams in the top 25, only Georgia played 10 Power 4 schools. It's a big advantage to not play 10 P4 schools over a 12 game schedule!
The committee has an opportunity in year 1 to make a statement and push for a level playing field from a schedule standpoint. I don't feel a 9 conference game schedule is the only way, but I do feel all P4 conference schools should be required to schedule 10 P4 conference games IF they want to be eligible for the 12 team CFP.
I hope I'm wrong, but I see it going this way:
Big10- Oregon, Penn State, Indiana & Ohio State
SEC - Georgia, Texas, Tennessee & Bama
Notre Dame
ACC CCG Champ: Clemson or SMU
Big12 CCG Champ: ISU or ASU
G5 Highest Rated Champ: Boise State or Tulane or UNLV
IMO the bubble team is Bama with a 9-3 record. Yormark brought up SOS last night and the fact the SEC and ACC only play 8 conference games AND almost all SEC/ACC teams only play 9 Power 4 conference games. Of the 8 SEC teams in the top 25, only Georgia played 10 Power 4 schools. It's a big advantage to not play 10 P4 schools over a 12 game schedule!
The committee has an opportunity in year 1 to make a statement and push for a level playing field from a schedule standpoint. I don't feel a 9 conference game schedule is the only way, but I do feel all P4 conference schools should be required to schedule 10 P4 conference games IF they want to be eligible for the 12 team CFP.
KidSilverhair
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Tulane, while interesting, probably doesn’t have a shot. That loss to Memphis is going to drop them, and UNLV is going to at least hold steady. If Boise wins, that’s it. If UNLV wins, that’s a top-ranked win for them; I just don’t think Tulane beating Army could counter that.
I might be wrong, but I think the MWC winner is in regardless, and Tulane is out.
If you lose three games in a 12 or 13 game slate you have zero business being in a national championship tournament
I don't have an issue with a G5 school getting a playoff berth. Let's prove on the field they don't belong. After all they did play #1 Oregon to a 3 point game. And I feel that UNLV is legit. In fact, I think UNLV will beat BSU.
A G5 school deserves a spot for the same reason the Big12 and ACC should not be limited to 1 or 2 playoff schools by guaranteeing the Big10 & SEC X# of CFP spots. Let performance on the field be the measuring stick. If eight Big10/SEC look to be among the top 12, then I have no problem with them hogging playoff spots. But I also hope if there are years when the Big12 or ACC have 2 or 3 top 12 teams, those teams will get in. (That's why I wish a committee wasn't picking the CFP).
That said, the guaranteed spot for G5 Conference Champs should be predicated on playoff wins over the next 4 years. I say the same for the Big12 & ACC.
If all schedules were created equal this would be a solid point. They aren't.
KidSilverhair
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I will once again state my opinion that a true national champion ought to at least win their own conference to qualify for a playoff (or, in my scenario, a Tournament of Champions). If you can’t even win your own conference, doesn’t that show that you’re not even as good as somebody else in your conference? So why should you get a chance to say you’re the best in the country?
And sure, some will say, tiebreakers, and maybe a team missing their CCG is actually better than one that made it in, and isn’t the fifth place SEC team “better” than the MWC or AAC champion … I’ll just say, 1) nobody made conferences grow so much that you have to use tiebreakers instead of on-field results to determine your winners, and 2) if you didn’t make your CCG, that automatically indicates at least one other team was “better” than you. Again … you think that should mean you get a second chance?
Playoff advocates keep telling us they want to determine the national champion ”on the field” instead of using polls and voter opinions to find Number One; then they disregard the results “on the field” and use polls, voter opinions, and legalese tiebreakers to fill out the playoff field instead. Makes no sense.
(Unless it’s all an entertainment exercise designed to make the most money instead of an actual device to truly find the “best” team, which, of course, it is)
If Boise wins and Iowa State wins, it will be criminal to put Boise ahead of Iowa State. Iowa State would have a Top 15 win (ASU), Top 25 win (KSU), at Iowa (8-4), Baylor (8-4). Our resume, while not amazing, would be better than many teams in the playoff and 100x better than Boise who would have UNLV x2 as their only decent wins. ISU’s resume would be way better than Indiana whose marquee win is against 7-5 Washington and 7-5 Michigan. Also, their non-con was FIU, W Illinois, and Charlotte.
I fully expect the committee to screw the Big 12 but LOOK AT THE ACTUAL RESUMES - the committee has done an awful job from 12-18 in the rankings. A 2-loss Tulane who lost at home to the Big 12’s 8th place team…
In looking at schedules closer, your probably right as UNLV would have beat BSU in their CCG after losing to them earlier.
UNLV
- P4 Wins: Houston & Kansas
- P4 Loss: Syracuse
- G5 Loss: Boise (but then beat in MW CG)
- P4 Wins: None
- P4 Losses: K-State & Oklahoma
- G5 Loss: Memphis
It was but we played with fire 4 times - Iowa, UCF, Utah, and Tech. Only losing 1 of those is very favorable for us.
KidSilverhair
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This is true, and it really shows how the breaks can make a big difference in a season. Like 2020 - the breaks really went ISU’s way that season (we’ll ignore Louisiana) while in 2021 they played about the same or even better but didn’t get very many breaks.
I will say the “eye test” showed ISU was clearly better than Utah and Iowa on the field. I think Tech and UCF probably outplayed the Cyclones, but ISU was able to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in one game while snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the other, lol.
Georgia up one spot in Coaches. You can’t make this **** up. https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/football/ncaaf/coaches-poll
They are being given so much consideration because one G5 school is essentially guaranteed a playoff spot by CFP rules. And BSU's only loss is by 3 points to Oregon. BSU can't apologize for who they play, any more than Iowa State. In the end it's about piling up wins. And it's why a 10-2 Iowa State should be in the CFP conversation vs. a 9-3 Alabama.
My guess is when the CFP rules were established, the P4 conferences were willing to accommodate the G5 schools because they view the G5 bid as a short-term give. Aka they expect the G5 schools to go winless in the CFP over the next few years and the auto bid will be rescinded. Who knows, the P4 folks might have been concerned about a G5 lawsuit if G5 schools were blocked from year 1.
And just think, sec and the big10 created this mess . 12-16 team playoff would have been great with all the leagues the way they were.
Now we have teams not playing 8-9 teams in their own league and wondering why teams have it easier than others.
Might be true if it was an 8 team playoff.
But if you go back over the last decade, about 50% of the seasons the 12th ranked team in the final regular season rankings had 3 losses.
KidSilverhair
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Hey, that grueling grind-it-out win against an unranked 7-5 GT that was gift-wrapped for them with a fumble in the 4th quarter just shows the SEC means more
The schedule they have is for money. It is their decision to stay for the money. I'm sure the PAC would take Alabama if they wanted an easier schedule. At some point you have to win the games played.
