*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

madguy30

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What is it about these nut punch losses that seem to hurt more the next day. Ugh. At the end of the year it's a missed opportunity at a quad 1 win. We've got more of those coming up. I guess if it looks like we're one quad 1 win short of a 1 seed it will definitely be a costly loss. Hopefully it doesn't come that and it's just another painful footnote in Cyclone history.

I think when there haven't been many losses, it gets magnified. In a loss like that, there's so many little things that can be the difference, especially in a game that ISU wasn't even favored and had the game won. Make one free throw, get a bunny to go, if the heave is like a 1/2 foot one way or the other.

It's imo less painful and easier to move on if AZ just comes out and has a big night and wins by 10-15.

The key is to not have a total 'WTF' kind of loss (knock on wood for games like this Saturday, for example).
 

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But was he the best 3 point shoot on the floor for Arizona? I have no clue, but our coaches know who they cannot let beat them in that situation and that is the one that should have been doubled. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, why not double one of guards and force them to let the other guy, the guy we want shooting the ball do it.
Because they were playing the long pass first. You don't want them chucking a ball the length of the court for a close shot. How pissed would you have been if doubling Love in the back court led to a wide open 3 point shot in the corner from a long pass? You've only got 5 players to cover the whole court in that situation. They are more or less conceding the 3/4 court shot because it is very unlikely to go in even if completely unguarded.
 

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IF this team wants to play in elite-8 or final four they have to avoid these holes they put themselves in. Arizona went on 16-0 run and these dry spells have happen a couple times this year. This team is too talented to put themselves in these situations.

Sometimes it's just a perfect storm too. IMO runs are gonna happen, how you respond is what's most important.
 

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I’d rather have the extra guy preventing them from throwing it into the front court.

Missing the second free throw probably works better as the clock begins ticking and with a pass out eats up how much time he has to get into position. Also a chance for them to just turn it over. But means you really can’t foul.
 
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Because they were playing the long pass first. You don't want them chucking a ball the length of the court for a close shot. How pissed would you have been if doubling Love in the back court led to a wide open 3 point shot in the corner from a long pass? You've only got 5 players to cover the whole court in that situation. They are more or less conceding the 3/4 court shot because it is very unlikely to go in even if completely unguarded.
You have 5 players to cover 4, Arizona had two in the back court, so they only had two players in the front court. The odds are not good that you can make a full court pass, and catch it outside the 3 point line and shoot and make the shot in 2.2 seconds. I would rather chance that, then letting one of their guards shoot the ball.
 

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But was he the best 3 point shoot on the floor for Arizona? I have no clue, but our coaches know who they cannot let beat them in that situation and that is the one that should have been doubled. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, why not double one of guards and force them to let the other guy, the guy we want shooting the ball do it.
To be fair that wasn't a "shot" that was a launch and by percentages it was probably the second lowest percent chance look outside of us making him change directions and make him shoot a little tougher shot. Their inbounds play there was for them to throw the ball down the court but we covered it. They actually conceded the play and took the shot they really didn't want to but it went in. It happens.
 

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I’d rather have the extra guy preventing them from throwing it into the front court.

Missing the second free throw probably works better as the clock begins ticking and with a pass out eats up how much time he has to get into position. Also a chance for them to just turn it over. But means you really can’t foul.
yep i literally just said when Jefferson missed that first I might be inclined to tell him to hard miss that second one because they didn't have timeouts.
 
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But was he the best 3 point shoot on the floor for Arizona? I have no clue, but our coaches know who they cannot let beat them in that situation and that is the one that should have been doubled. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, why not double one of guards and force them to let the other guy, the guy we want shooting the ball do it.
Not sure there is a best 3 point shooter from 60 feet.
Maybe Stef. It's a chuck and hope
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You have 5 players to cover 4, Arizona had two in the back court, so they only had two players in the front court. The odds are not good that you can make a full court pass, and catch it outside the 3 point line and shoot and make the shot in 2.2 seconds. I would rather chance that, then letting one of their guards shoot the ball.
Disagree. The fact is whatever they did was incredibly unlikely to lead to a basket in that situation. It's pointless to spend a lot of time on a player making a once in a lifetime shot against them. There was nothing wrong with the way it was defended and it's silly to criticize the team for that play.
 

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yep i literally just said when Jefferson missed that first I might be inclined to tell him to hard miss that second one because they didn't have timeouts.

If this happens but the ball doesn't touch rim, where does the ball get put in play?

I'm not for or against either approach as they both have their risks and advantages but just more curious.

Of course, Jefferson iirc is typically good from the line late so making both makes everything else moot but that's just another thing that doesn't always work out.
 

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If this happens but the ball doesn't touch rim, where does the ball get put in play?

I'm not for or against either approach as they both have their risks and advantages but just more curious.

Of course, Jefferson iirc is typically good from the line late so making both makes everything else moot but that's just another thing that doesn't always work out.
They get the ball underneath. Same scenario but they're down 2 instead of 3. It can be risky if you don't have someone at the line who's done that before because it's actually hard to miss hard.
 

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If this happens but the ball doesn't touch rim, where does the ball get put in play?

I'm not for or against either approach as they both have their risks and advantages but just more curious.

Of course, Jefferson iirc is typically good from the line late so making both makes everything else moot but that's just another thing that doesn't always work out.
Yeah, I’ve seen some bad intentional misses free throws as well so doing things you don’t normally practice much can lead to problems also.
 

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But was he the best 3 point shoot on the floor for Arizona? I have no clue, but our coaches know who they cannot let beat them in that situation and that is the one that should have been doubled. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, why not double one of guards and force them to let the other guy, the guy we want shooting the ball do it.

No he was not.

Also, you are defending against a long baseball type pass with a kick out. You literally could not have asked for a better situation when Love caught the ball heading toward the wrong end line and shooting a 3/4 desperation heave. You don’t double or pressure that because it takes away your center fielder. Gilbert was floating there to disrupt having a guy flash to midcourt and a kickout.

If you’re wondering what they were trying to prevent, watch the end of the Baylor game last year when Milan almost won it at the buzzer. A little different scenario but what they were trying to avoid.

Also, if you remember, Nunn missed the FT to go up 3 with 2 seconds left and it almost bit them.
 
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I’d rather have the extra guy preventing them from throwing it into the front court.

Missing the second free throw probably works better as the clock begins ticking and with a pass out eats up how much time he has to get into position. Also a chance for them to just turn it over. But means you really can’t foul.

The ISU/Baylor game last year was a prime example of how missing a FT when only up 2 can go screwy. I’d always rather have a 3 point lead than a 2 point lead.
 

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To be fair that wasn't a "shot" that was a launch and by percentages it was probably the second lowest percent chance look outside of us making him change directions and make him shoot a little tougher shot. Their inbounds play there was for them to throw the ball down the court but we covered it. They actually conceded the play and took the shot they really didn't want to but it went in. It happens.
No, the easiest play is the guards catching the ball, dribbling once or twice, getting his momentum moving towards the hoop and launching a shot, which is what happened. A person in the corner is going to have to catch the ball, dribble and turn at basically the same time and shoot the shot. We see shots being made by guards like this all the time, without a doubt its a shot and a prayer, but we see it a lot more often than a full length pass from out of bounce to a guy catching it and then shooting it moving away from the hoop.