2 Seed in K.C.

[wonkadog]

I agree with almost rather having KU than others (especially OU) in a semifinal. Heck, they could get beat in the quarters with the way they are banged up. Similar to last year with their big dude out.

 

[DeereClone]

I think I would rather just take the 4 seed and play Kansas in the semis.

We have to beat them eventually, and after our win over them in the semis we would get a home game for the championship. If we don't play them til the finals, we won't have a true home game down there.

 

[chuckd4735]

You guys are nuts. The thought of an ISU/KU final is enough for me to hope for the 2 or 3 seed.

 

[IcSyU]

Kansas will lose in the semis. For the sake of selling tickets, the Sprint Center has to be hoping either we or Kansas State end up in the final.

 

[andybernard]

One scenario that (I think) no one has mentioned would be TCU beating OSU tonight. That would put us at 2 or 3 with an ISU win regardless of the other Saturday outcomes. With an ISU loss than it is still completely dependent on the other games.

 

[cloneteach]

Just curious, how does an OSU loss help us?

 

[chuckd4735]

Just curious, how does an OSU loss help us?

I think an OSU loss tonight would help as it would take Texas out of the 7/10 game and pretty much assure the 2 seed a match up of the the KSU or OSU/Tech winner. Id personally prefer ISU avoided a "desperate for a win" Texas in their first round game. The 2012 Big 12 tourney SUCKED!

 

[Trice]

Thanks for doing the leg work.

I checked Bracket Generator, and I might be wrong, but it looks like in your first scenario (ISU beats TCU) we'd get 2 seed as long as West Virginia beats Oklahoma State — OU/KU and BU/TT wouldn't matter.

This:

Produced this:

Note: It was same for 2 seed regardless of outcomes of OSU-TCU and Texas-KSU.

I am not 100% positive about it, I did it quickly.

As for the requirements if ISU loses at TCU, I'll take your word for it.
:smile:

I've been messing with this scenario myself and I think the bracket generator may be wrong. I was thinking we're locked into the #2 seed as long as we win, but if OU also wins and we tie for 2nd, don't they get the nod via tiebreaker? Going down the standings, Baylor would break the tie in OU's favor because they split and BU swept us.

Right?

 

[andybernard]

I've been messing with this scenario myself and I think the bracket generator may be wrong. I was thinking we're locked into the #2 seed as long as we win, but if OU also wins and we tie for 2nd, don't they get the nod via tiebreaker? Going down the standings, Baylor would break the tie in OU's favor because they split and BU swept us.

Right?

Baylor and WVU tied for 4th, and our combined record against them is 3-1, just like Oklahoma's record against those two teams...so it goes down to the next team, OSU.

 

[cyclones500]

I've been messing with this scenario myself and I think the bracket generator may be wrong. I was thinking we're locked into the #2 seed as long as we win, but if OU also wins and we tie for 2nd, don't they get the nod via tiebreaker? Going down the standings, Baylor would break the tie in OU's favor because they split and BU swept us.

Right?

You might be correct. I didn't look past the 2 seed in that one - it used records v no. 6 to break tie and seemed to skip Baylor and wva. Unless there's something involved with those teams I'm missing.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Now that the 1 seed has been locked up, Iowa State is still very much in the mix for the 2 seed.

I am curious as to what could happen to get ISU there. I think I've figured out a few of the scenarios but it's likely I missed something.


If Iowa State beats TCU, they just need one of these three things to happen to get the 2 seed:

West Virginia beats Oklahoma State at home,
or
Kansas beats Oklahoma on the road,
or
Texas Tech beats Baylor on the road.

If any of those games end up with the given outcome, an ISU win over TCU would give the Cyclones the 2 seed in K.C. If all three of those games go the wrong way but ISU still beats TCU, the Clones would get the 3 seed, losing a tiebreaker to Oklahoma for the 2.


If Iowa State loses to TCU, they need some specific help:

Kansas must beat Oklahoma on the road,
and
Texas Tech must beat Baylor on the road.

If ISU loses and OU wins, they finish ahead of ISU and there is no tie for 2nd. Similarly, ISU does not get the 2 seed in tie situations with Baylor, so they would need BU to lose and fall out of a tie with them.


My question is, are there any other scenarios out there in which Iowa State gets the 2 seed in K.C.? I want to know what to watch for this Saturday leading up to the ISU game. Every game other than TTU @ BU should be completed by the time ISU @ TCU tips.

I like the other scenario where ISU gets the #1 seed.

The NCAA rules that Cliff Alexander has been ineligible this entire season since he never actually passed a single class back to the 1st grade. Kansas is forced to forfeit every game that he has played in and their record drops to 2-28 (he was held out the past 2 games). Iowa State beats TCU and West Virginia beats Okie State giving ISU the #1 seed and their first Big XII title since 2001.

 

[Trice]

Baylor and WVU tied for 4th, and our combined record against them is 3-1, just like Oklahoma's record against those two teams...so it goes down to the next team, OSU.

Okay, that's what I was missing. Thanks.

 

[ajk4st8]

For those of us with tickets to KC, being on the opposite side of KU in the bracket is better financially.

With 5000 isu fans looking to make a quick buck doing the same thing... I can see the market price down. That's a lot of supply in the market.

 

[Cycopath]

Wont Baylor be a 2 seed because they beat us twice?

 

[chuckd4735]

With 5000 isu fans looking to make a quick buck doing the same thing... I can see the market price down. That's a lot of supply in the market.

Still a lot easier then KU being in the same side as ISU. Last year we sold our 4 tickets for the second Thursday session for $20 so we could buy a pizza on the way home.

 

[chuckd4735]

Wont Baylor be a 2 seed because they beat us twice?

Baylor as 7 loses right now, ISU has 6.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Baylor as 7 loses right now, ISU has 6.

We play TCU on the road which is no cakewalk and they have Tech who they will crush. If and it's a big IF... ISU loses and Baylor wins we will fall below them in the seeding due to the tiebreaker rules.

As long as ISU wins Saturday they are in fairly good shape to get the #2 seed.

 

[Wesley]

Hope to beat Baylor.

 

[cyclones12321]

So as hard as it is. Im going for ku to secure the number 2 seed

 

[chuckd4735]

We play TCU on the road which is no cakewalk and they have Tech who they will crush. If and it's a big IF... ISU loses and Baylor wins we will fall below them in the seeding due to the tiebreaker rules.

As long as ISU wins Saturday they are in fairly good shape to get the #2 seed.

Yes, but as of right now, that is why ISU is ahead of Baylor.