2 Seed in K.C.

chuckd4735

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Updated with the final 32 scenarios and sorted by ISU seed:

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Don't you also have a table that shows percentage chance of each seed for each team? Id be curious to see that as Im too lazy to go through and do the match myself.
 

VeloClone

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If Baylor wins their game there is a 3 in 8 chance that ISU and Baylor will be the 2 and 3 seeds (in any order) to meet in the 2/3 semifinal.
 

MartyMcCy

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I'm going with the favorites across the board and picking scenario 18 as most probable.
ya think? :)

I am going the pessimistic route with Scenario #26. ISU is going to back into the #3 spot with KU beating OU.
 

Psiclone

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ya think? :)

I am going the pessimistic route with Scenario #26. ISU is going to back into the #3 spot with KU beating OU.


KU is not likely to win on the road, on OK senior night, without both Alexander and Ellis playing. Thomas and Spangler are going to have a field day inside on offense. And, they won't have to help in the post which will leave OK to guard their outside shooters tightly. Plus, they've already clinched the conference championship and have less to play for. I actually see a 10+ point win for OK.
 

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Now that the 1 seed has been locked up, Iowa State is still very much in the mix for the 2 seed.

I am curious as to what could happen to get ISU there. I think I've figured out a few of the scenarios but it's likely I missed something.


If Iowa State beats TCU, they just need one of these three things to happen to get the 2 seed:

West Virginia beats Oklahoma State at home,
or
Kansas beats Oklahoma on the road,
or
Texas Tech beats Baylor on the road.

If any of those games end up with the given outcome, an ISU win over TCU would give the Cyclones the 2 seed in K.C. If all three of those games go the wrong way but ISU still beats TCU, the Clones would get the 3 seed, losing a tiebreaker to Oklahoma for the 2.


If Iowa State loses to TCU, they need some specific help:

Kansas must beat Oklahoma on the road,
and
Texas Tech must beat Baylor on the road.

If ISU loses and OU wins, they finish ahead of ISU and there is no tie for 2nd. Similarly, ISU does not get the 2 seed in tie situations with Baylor, so they would need BU to lose and fall out of a tie with them.


My question is, are there any other scenarios out there in which Iowa State gets the 2 seed in K.C.? I want to know what to watch for this Saturday leading up to the ISU game. Every game other than TTU @ BU should be completed by the time ISU @ TCU tips.

The ISU game at TCU is the final game of the regular season because the TTU game at Baylor is the only final Big 12 regular season game to be played tonight (Friday) at 8:00 on ESPN2. Don't miss it we need to have a big cheering section for TTU to win.

I believe your scenarios of the possible seedings for ISU are correct except I didn't see mention that ISU could drop to the 4 seed, if ISU loses (can't let that happen), Oklahoma wins, and Baylor wins, doesn't matter if W. Virginia wins or not as ISU beat them 2-0.

Did anyone read about the Alexander problem.....guess it was a problem with an agent so guess he won't be in a Kansas uniform again. There should also be a huge penalty for those agents who tempt college players.
 

CyFan61

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If Iowa State wins:

2 seed if either West Virginia or Kansas wins
3 seed otherwise (if both Oklahoma State and Oklahoma win)


If Iowa State loses:

3 seed if both West Virginia and Kansas win
4 seed otherwise (if either Oklahoma State or Oklahoma wins)


So the only games that matter for ISU tomorrow are Iowa State @ TCU (obviously), Oklahoma State @ West Virginia, and Kansas @ Oklahoma. In all scenarios, WVU and KU wins are best for ISU.
 

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If Iowa State wins:

2 seed if either West Virginia or Kansas wins
3 seed otherwise (if both Oklahoma State and Oklahoma win)


If Iowa State loses:

3 seed if both West Virginia and Kansas win
4 seed otherwise (if either Oklahoma State or Oklahoma wins)


So the only games that matter for ISU tomorrow are Iowa State @ TCU (obviously), Oklahoma State @ West Virginia, and Kansas @ Oklahoma. In all scenarios, WVU and KU wins are best for ISU.

Thank you. I was wondering this
 

Cyhart

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Based on where things are today, frankly I prefer the #2 vs the #1.

ISU would get winner of Tech vs OSU. KU gets winner of Texas vs TCU. I think ISU has the better draw there.

Next round, provided ISU and KU win, ISU gets winner of OU and KSU. KU gets winner of WVU and Baylor. Again, I think ISU has the better draw.

That is as of right now - a lot can change this weekend.
Admittedly, this stuff kinda confuses me. But if we are the 2, we would get the winner of the 7/10 game correct? Won't Texas end up the 7 seed? I don't want to play Texas at all. They are going to be desperate and dangerous.
 

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Admittedly, this stuff kinda confuses me. But if we are the 2, we would get the winner of the 7/10 game correct? Won't Texas end up the 7 seed? I don't want to play Texas at all. They are going to be desperate and dangerous.
If you don't want to play Texas root for ksu , both oklahoma schools or against us.

If either Kstate or TCU win we don't play Texas.
If both Oklahoma schools win we don't play Texas.

Likely first round opponent in each scenario:
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CysRage

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Since WVU won, if we win tonight we get the 2 seed, right? Let's go Cyclones! Beat TCU!
 

UraMallas

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Since WVU won, if we win tonight we get the 2 seed, right? Let's go Cyclones! Beat TCU!

Correct. We also want KSU to beat Texas so we don't have to play a very hungry and talented Texas team in our first round.
 

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For those in the know: does Texas' win seconds ago coupled with an ISU win tonight vs. TCU mean Texas is the 7 seed and we are the 2 seed? Texas could be very dangerous in the Tourney.