***2022 PGA Tour Thread***

[Tre4ISU]

1)The Overall World Golf Ranking is done by an entity and has many requirements for a tournament outcome to receive points. One is at least 72 participants,....except for TW's little event.

2) The Masters is the 800 lb gorilla. In 1990, the PGA Tour required that any host a a tour event have non-discriminatory membership policies. Augusta National allowed its first female members in 2012.

3) The DP Tour will make its announcement on June 23.

I can see the DP accepting the LIV guys as regular members of that tour, let them LIV it up, and adjust their schedule accordingly,.....my guess.

DP World Tour not set to punish player for competing in LIV Golf events

DP World Tour chief executive Keith Pelley told his players that the tour wasn't prepared to penalized those competing in LIV events.

www.golfchannel.com

The DP should absolutely do that. It's the only way they live.

 

[Clark]

You don't have the capacity to discuss both issues?

It may not be as significant to you but it's not a strawman. The difference is how much wider China reaches in this country and how established they are, in general in the west. I mean, good grief, they have what, 2 million people in camps and the world is holding the Olympics there. Like, sure go play in the Olympics for your country there and Russia, but man we're drawing the line at taking money from the Saudis in golf. I don't think it's reasonable to ask the leagues not to try to reach into China, but I'm also not really going to condemn someone at this point for taking 9 figures from the Saudis when it's in no way funding their operation.

A) the US doesn't get to decide where to hold Olympics other wise they'd always be held here. The US could have chosen to not send athletes, but what would that have accomplished? Who would be punished more in that situation the athletes who couldn't compete or the government you're trying to sanction with your actions?

B) The NBA's relationship with China is a supplier/consumer relationship. The LIV/Saudi relationship is a business/owner relationship. Do you really not see the difference?

 

[Tre4ISU]

A) the US doesn't get to decide where to hold Olympics other wise they'd always be held here. The US could have chosen to not send athletes, but what would that have accomplished? Who would be punished more in that situation the athletes who couldn't compete or the government you're trying to sanction with your actions?

B) The NBA's relationship with China is a supplier/consumer relationship. The LIV/Saudi relationship is a business/owner relationship. Do you really not see the difference?

A. I would ask the exact same questions in the golf example. That’s kind of my point. Does it actually matter what athletes do in terms of affecting change in various regimes?

B. A difference without distinction. LIV is supplying money and playing opportunities. Players are taking it despite the fact there is no redeemable quality for fans who eventually pay the bills. LIV will be here for awhile, but it won’t be forever if people won’t watch and sponsors don’t pay. I think it’ll be 4-5 years and it’ll never be feasible.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Brooks sounds like he’s gone. Good, he’s a whiny ***** and probably about done anyway.

Pelley sounds like he’s going to take the LIV guys. So much for that alliance and I don’t blame him. The DP has to do something.

 

[nfrine]

It appears the folks struggling on the PGA tour are the ones moving to LIV (KIL).

 

[Tre4ISU]

Rumor out there that the Saudis are getting set to make a huge offer for the DP World Tour. I don’t know that Europe as a whole looks at the Saudis like the US does so who knows what comes of that. That gives them a setup where they can have a fairly fluid system where guys can move up and down while still having both options and it removes a ton of risk for players. That would be a killer for the PGA Tour and the new TV deal.

 

[nwiacyclonefant]

It’s all of that, but yes mainly that they hijacked a bunch of planes and attacked us on American soil.

I agree with you on China, but there different levels of bad and China isn’t paying blood money to American PGA tour players yet so idk where all this China stuff even comes from.

Japan attacked us on American soil, can we not do business with them? And yes I'm well aware Japan and Saudi Arabia are different, so where is the line? When does it become ok?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Japan attacked us on American soil, can we not do business with them? And yes I'm well aware Japan and Saudi Arabia are different, so where is the line? When does it become ok?

I think dropping two atomic bombs and decimating 100’s of thousands of civilians fulfilled their penance. Just a thought, but carry on.

 

[3TrueFans]

It's just golf

 

[Clonefan32]

It's just golf

 

[cyfan92]

I'm a DIEHARD golf fan and could not care less about LIV vs PGA Tour.

 

[isucy86]

Brooks sounds like he’s gone. Good, he’s a whiny ***** and probably about done anyway.

Pelley sounds like he’s going to take the LIV guys. So much for that alliance and I don’t blame him. The DP has to do something.

Agreed. If Chase Koepka had no issue, I doubt Brooks does either.

I believe for players to be eligible for the $50M purse in the LIV season ending tournament they need to play a certain # of events. They can achieve that requirement by switching as soon as the PGA FedEx season ending East Lake tournament at the end of August.

Then catch a quick flight up to Boston for the LIV Tournament the next weekend.

 

[isucy86]

I fully agree. Especially for a fan, there is zero to like about this product. I watched probably a total of 30 minutes of it out of shear curiosity and it was simply put, soulless golf with no context or meaning. It's clear no one cares. I think that's the heart of the issue for a lot of the people that do care about the game. It's that the people making all the money don't care about the game or the competition like others wish they would and everyone is helpless fighting it and they know it.

If I'm the TOUR, I'm going to lean on the competition factor. That's the only thing they have that could appeal more than money to a large group of narcissists. It's all they have and if they can't sell them on that, good riddance.

What? You must not have watched enough of the LIV Tournament to see the REVOLUTIONARY way golf was being played!

No Tournament has ever played with a shotgun start.
Teams are a completely new concept
Limiting the field to 48 players
Only playing 54 holes

I'm sure I have missed a bunch of other GOLF INNOVATIONS. If they decide to play with a square ball, that would be revolutionary golf

 

[Cyclonepride]

What? You must not have watched enough of the LIV Tournament to see the REVOLUTIONARY way golf was being played!

No Tournament has ever played with a shotgun start.
Teams are a completely new concept
Limiting the field to 48 players
Only playing 54 holes

I'm sure I have missed a bunch of other GOLF INNOVATIONS. If they decide to play with a square ball, that would be revolutionary golf

Next up, breakfast balls and gimmes

 

[Tre4ISU]

I'm a DIEHARD golf fan and could not care less about LIV vs PGA Tour.

I find it incredibly interesting. I do not care about the LIV product one iota at the moment. Nothing redeeming there. What could bring something to the game is a rivalry between the two if they only meet up at majors in the future. Personally, I think the LIV guys will get waxed as I think they are essentially mailing it in and playing exhibitions simply because of the money is not the same as the guys who are staying for reasons other than money.

 

[clonedude]

I find it incredibly interesting. I do not care about the LIV product one iota at the moment. Nothing redeeming there. What could bring something to the game is a rivalry between the two if they only meet up at majors in the future. Personally, I think the LIV guys will get waxed as I think they are essentially mailing it in and playing exhibitions simply because of the money is not the same as the guys who are staying for reasons other than money.

Agree. Does DJ even give a s**t how he plays anymore? He’s getting 125 million just to show up and play what amounts to an exhibition. And who wants to watch that crap?

 

[isucy86]

I find it incredibly interesting. I do not care about the LIV product one iota at the moment. Nothing redeeming there. What could bring something to the game is a rivalry between the two if they only meet up at majors in the future. Personally, I think the LIV guys will get waxed as I think they are essentially mailing it in and playing exhibitions simply because of the money is not the same as the guys who are staying for reasons other than money.

I will be curious what happens this fall. If the LIV Tour can sign 10-15 players out of the PGA Top 75, it could make the rivalry interesting. Simultaneously, if they can attract some of the top US college talent and young international talent- they could make things intesting in 2023.

But as long as their target golfers are guys past their prime like Johnson, Mickelson, Poulter, etc. The LIV Events will basically be exhibitions.

Also their broadcast shtick needs to move on from how they are different and better than the PGA. Stick to guys making great shots and awesome courses.

 

[Rural]

H

Agree. Does DJ even give a s**t how he plays anymore? He’s getting 125 million just to show up and play what amounts to an exhibition. And who wants to watch that crap?

He’s already said he’ll just play the LIV events and the majors.

 

[Hoggins]

What? You must not have watched enough of the LIV Tournament to see the REVOLUTIONARY way golf was being played!

No Tournament has ever played with a shotgun start.
Teams are a completely new concept
Limiting the field to 48 players
Only playing 54 holes

I'm sure I have missed a bunch of other GOLF INNOVATIONS. If they decide to play with a square ball, that would be revolutionary golf

For the TV product, those actually are innovations. Which 99% of the sport is consumed through TV

 

[Acylum]

The PGA Tour has come out swinging



Seriously. WTF is this?

A disaster waiting to happen.