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Let’s hope he doesn’t get on CF then! He threw two touchdown passes and an interception that should have been caught by the WR every single time.

The backup DE on the worst defense in the conference beat a double team twice to get a sack. Not sure how that is possible.
I’m trying to remember the 3 picks. One was the too high and uncatchable rocket to stanley, another was the one thrown to stanley that was placed on the outside of the receiver (the only place for the defender to even make a play on it) when it should have been on the inside , but I don’t remember the third. What was that one?
 

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I don't think Dekkers is fully to blame for the turnovers. The coaching staff has put alot on his shoulders. He has been forced to pass alot. Partly because they are always playing from behind and partly because the run is completely ineffective. What else can you do? If you can't run you have to pass. Unfortunately when the defense knows we have to pass that makes it alot easier to force turnovers.
You're not wrong but this is also a strange post. Because while it is true that we throw it a lot - that doesn't excuse awful decision making.

I agree its likely Dekkers job to lose but there needs to be a 100% open competition
 

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I’m trying to remember the 3 picks. One was the too high and uncatchable rocket to stanley, another was the one thrown to stanley that was placed on the outside of the receiver (the only place for the defender to even make a play on it) when it should have been on the inside , but I don’t remember the third. What was that one?



24:55

"uncatchable rocket"

Stop. Should he throw it underhand next time?
 

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I’m trying to remember the 3 picks. One was the too high and uncatchable rocket to stanley, another was the one thrown to stanley that was placed on the outside of the receiver (the only place for the defender to even make a play on it) when it should have been on the inside , but I don’t remember the third. What was that one?
Maybe I'm being too much of an 'apologist' for Dekkers, but I wonder if Stanley is running the right routes. Seems like it's been an issue most of the season (not on the same page) - a 'high ball' isn't as high if the route is a few yards deeper; same for a ball on the 'outside' when it should have been 'inside' if the route isn't to the correct spot. I'm willing to admit I could be completely wrong on this subject as I was neither a QB, WR, nor D1 athlete.
 

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24:55

"uncatchable rocket"

Stop. Should he throw it underhand next time?

So me and the announcers are wrong, okay. It was uncatchable, throw it that hard, place it in the frame, throw it that high, better take some off it so the receiver can catch it.

Thanks for showing what I said.
 

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Maybe I'm being too much of an 'apologist' for Dekkers, but I wonder if Stanley is running the right routes. Seems like it's been an issue most of the season (not on the same page) - a 'high ball' isn't as high if the route is a few yards deeper; same for a ball on the 'outside' when it should have been 'inside' if the route isn't to the correct spot. I'm willingly to admit I could be completely wrong on this subject as I was neither a QB, WR, nor D1 athlete.
I was a huge Dekkers supporter up through the first few conference games, then between his play and what I’ve been hearing from inside the facility, I have realized that he is not what we were told. Part of it could be who he is taking over for. I may be expecting Purdys leadership with a better arm but same decision making. Right now only one of those 3 is true.
 
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So me and the announcers are wrong, okay. It was uncatchable, throw it that hard, place it in the frame, throw it that high, better take some off it so the receiver can catch it.

Thanks for showing what I said.

Yeah. You are wrong. Thing would have bounced off the top of his head if he didnt put his hands up.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you think swapping in a different QB is going to fix this, you're dead wrong. Dekkers' 2nd and 3rd INTs were more his fault (third was TERRIBLE on him), but everyone's almight savior Brock Purdy made similarly bad throws all the time. We had breece hall, charlie kolar, chase allen, etc to cover it up.
 

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I think that an open competition next year between Dekkers, Becht, and Kohl really will yield a quality power-5 starting quarterback for the Clones. IIRC, those 3 are three of the highest rated QB recruits in school history. We've seen Dekkers has all the physical tools, just has to figure it out between the ears. Becht and Kohl were both Elite 11 participants, Kohl was the elite 11 MVP, and has physical intangibles that are hard to replicate. Despite the debacle this year, I really don't feel super concerned about our QB situation going forward. I have much bigger concerns about the offensive line, Tyler Moore growing into a badly needed legitimate tight end, and young receivers stepping up without X
 

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I was a huge Dekkers supporter up through the first few conference games, then between his play and what I’ve been hearing from inside the facility, I have realized that he is not what we were told. Part of it could be who he is taking over for. I may be expecting Purdys leadership with a better arm but same decision making. Right now only one of those 3 is true.

What have you heard from inside the program?
 
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The problem goes so far beyond Dekkers.

Then you lose Hutchinson and Downing prior to next year. That is not a great situation. They’re basically starting from scratch at WR next year. And although they return 4 starting OL, none of them are any good.

Quibble- all of them looked good when they first hit the field. They have got worse with more time in the system, imho. So I don't think it is the players themselves per se.

How many OL have we had in the past 5 years that when they first got on the field, we thought "that kid will be a solid piece next year" and then ended up disappointed in the total lack of improvement? A few had career-affecting injuries, but a lot of them just never took the next step.

Miller, Remsberg, Simmons, Newell, Foster, Ramos, et al

IDK if it the OL scheme, how they teach it, how they practice it, if it is too complicated, too simple, or WHAT. But the development of the OL players, and the performance of that unit, has been very poor. Especially the last 2-3 seasons.
 

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I’m trying to remember the 3 picks. One was the too high and uncatchable rocket to stanley, another was the one thrown to stanley that was placed on the outside of the receiver (the only place for the defender to even make a play on it) when it should have been on the inside , but I don’t remember the third. What was that one?
The third INT was his worst. Attempting a throw to Hanika but failed to see a defender. Ball went straight to the defender.
 

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The problem with this offense is not, and has not been at QB. I think I was way too hard on Purdy, but I think Manning is really the one to blame. Purdy got worse every year he was here, and I think it’s time to expect that we won’t have good QB play for as long as we have Tom Manning. He refuses to adjust and put guys in a position to succeed.

Additionally, look at the WR/TE rooms. Hutch is gone next year, and no one else in those two roles has looked like they can step up and be the guy. Instead, we get the same mistakes over and over.

Factor that in with an O-line that looks like they have no business playing at a division 1 level and there’s no way for a QB to succeed.
 

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Quibble- all of them looked good when they first hit the field. They have got worse with more time in the system, imho. So I don't think it is the players themselves per se.

How many OL have we had in the past 5 years that when they first got on the field, we thought "that kid will be a solid piece next year" and then ended up disappointed in the total lack of improvement? A few had career-affecting injuries, but a lot of them just never took the next step.

Miller, Remsberg, Simmons, Newell, Foster, Ramos, et al

IDK if it the OL scheme, how they teach it, how they practice it, if it is too complicated, too simple, or WHAT. But the development of the OL players, and the performance of that unit, has been very poor. Especially the last 2-3 seasons.
This is a good point. I trust Jay J. on OL evaluation as much as anybody, and he was so high on Remsberg and Miller being the real deal.
 

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I still dont think Dekkers is that bad, stanley caused 2 of those interceptions and receivers were dropping balls all day saturday.
If WR's have a competent game, Dekker's line looks great, ISU wins, and Dekkers just has the one bad INT on a mis-read. 2 wide open touchdowns dropped. You can make a case that neither INT was on Stanley, but come on. That's a 23 year old grad transfer receiver. the first pass was 2 inches above his helmet. The second, he showed zero fight for.