2023 ISU QB

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Maybe I'm being too much of an 'apologist' for Dekkers, but I wonder if Stanley is running the right routes. Seems like it's been an issue most of the season (not on the same page) - a 'high ball' isn't as high if the route is a few yards deeper; same for a ball on the 'outside' when it should have been 'inside' if the route isn't to the correct spot. I'm willing to admit I could be completely wrong on this subject as I was neither a QB, WR, nor D1 athlete.
The routes wouldn't matter as much, as long as Stanley is in the general vicinity he is supposed to be in. Dekkers must be being coached to throw to a spot and not to an actual target then, if that is the case.
 

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So we can't bring in a senior via transfer portal or you plan on the 2023 season resting on the shoulders of a true freshman QB?
Why. Bringing in a transfer QB isn't a magic bullet. For every one that works out, their are 5 that don't.

I don't feel Dekkers is automatically #1 because he is the returning starter. It should be an open competition between Dekkers, Brecht and Kohl.

But it's pretty obvious a few changes to the offensive coaching staff are needed, so every player starts a new.
 
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It goes back to the coaching. When Adrian Martinez was at Nebraska he was as inconsistent as Dekkers. He transferred to Kansas State and did quite well until his injury.
Martinez also stepped into an offense that had a good o-line, rb, te, etc.

But it does all come back to coaching. IMO the whole offensive staff needs review. Even Scheelhaas' roll. Seems an overreach to expect 1 coach to be position coach for RB's & WR's.
 

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Why. Bringing in a transfer QB isn't a magic bullet. For every one that works out, their are 5 that don't.

I don't feel Dekkers is automatically #1 because he is the returning starter. It should be an open competition between Dekkers, Brecht and Kohl.

But it's pretty obvious a few changes to the offensive coaching staff are needed, so every player starts a new.
Apparently a transfer could make better throws while having to run for his life and not having anyone to throw too. Get ******* real. Nobody could move the chains at ISU this year.
 

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Not exactly sure.
The routes wouldn't matter as much, as long as Stanley is in the general vicinity he is supposed to be in. Dekkers must be being coached to throw to a spot and not to an actual target then, if that is the case.
General passing rules, general, man defense— throw to the target, zone coverage— throw to a spot.
 
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Apparently a transfer could make better throws while having to run for his life and not having anyone to throw too. Get ******* real. Nobody could move the chains at ISU this year.
Moving the chains hasn't been the issue. Punching the ball into the endzone has. Between a horrendous red zone success rate: 1668453554050.png

and turnovers lost:
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Lie our issues. Our 3rd down success rate is actually ok to good:


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Or change the system to fit the personel, which is what Campbell SAYS he does. Not sure we actually see that on the field.
Oh, I think they have tried to do that this year - lots of plays designed for Noel to get him the ball in space. Lots of throws to X. Lots of passes to Jirehl in the flat. More crossing routes since no Charlie & Chase.

Unfortunately, they haven't made many/any changes to the run game, despite losing 2 great TE blockers. And they haven't really designed much around the guy with his hands on the ball every play, ie HD.

I would also argue that there isn't any overall strategy about how it all comes together as a whole. It's just a bunch of randomly selected plays. Most of hte designed plays are within 5 yards of the LoS. Then they use those LoS about 95% of the time, which brings the defense up... but they rarely go deep to take advantage of it. Maybe it all would work better if they could run between the tackles, which they can't.
 

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Moving the chains hasn't been the issue. Punching the ball into the endzone has. Between a horrendous red zone success rate: View attachment 105469

and turnovers lost:
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Lie our issues. Our 3rd down success rate is actually ok to good:


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If you don't have explosiveness, then you better be REALLY good at sustaining drives and not making drive-killing errors (turnovers, penalties, sacks).

This team is neither. Thus they can put up yards and first downs much better than points.
 

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I absolutely have. Why would you say that when you don't know?

Nobody that is truly on the "inside" of the program would say that it's going to be an open competition next season at this point. Just as nobody on the "inside" of the program would say Dekkers has the starting position wrapped up next year at this point either.

If someone on the "inside" is saying this right now.... then CMC has really lost control of his program.... which I don't believe is the case.
 
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I like to think back to last summer when we were hearing rumors of how solid the O-line would be and how Dekkers would be one-and-done. Good times. Hell, I bought into it, as usual.

Next year I swear this is the last time like the last 5 years that I'm not going to lean into the hype for the Oline or receivers in August.

Promise this time.
 

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Wanted to throw this out there, does ISU have their starting QB on the current roster? Will ISU go transfer portal?

Would a new OC and/or new OL coach be enough of a difference maker to elevate Hunter to midpack of the Big 12 QBs?
No, and a definite YES!
 

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Martinez also stepped into an offense that had a good o-line, rb, te, etc.

But it does all come back to coaching. IMO the whole offensive staff needs review. Even Scheelhaas' roll. Seems an overreach to expect 1 coach to be position coach for RB's & WR's.

One question: why is Scheelhaas thrown out there as the assistant who doesn't need replaced or even the next HC?

Not arguing against it or anything, just not sure of the specifics that takes people to this conclusion.
 

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Nobody that is truly on the "inside" of the program would say that it's going to be an open competition next season at this point. Just as nobody on the "inside" of the program would say Dekkers has the starting position wrapped up next year at this point either.

If someone on the "inside" is saying this right now.... then CMC has really lost control of his program.... which I don't believe is the case.
I don’t know what I might have done to make you want to pick a fight with another Cyclone fan who is just sharing info. I know for a fact what was said and there are other people besides coaches and players “inside” the program.
 
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People forget that Brock Purdy handed the ball off to Montgomery, Nwangwu, and Hall and threw to Butler, Kolar, Soehner, Akers, Allen, and Hutchinson (all NFL guys).

He also had guys like Deshaunte Jones, Tarique Milton, and La’Michael Pettway as options to throw to.

Defenses know we can’t run and XH is our only offensive threat. The TE position is also non-existent and should probably be abandoned for the most part in our offense.
 

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I don’t know what I might have done to make you want to pick a fight with another Cyclone fan who is just sharing info. I know for a fact what was said and there are other people besides coaches and players “inside” the program.

Sorry... I just have a hard time believing anyone inside the program right now is concerned about if the starting job will be handed to Dekkers next year, or if he will be in a competition.

I would think that could wait until the offseason to discuss..... there might be more important things to be discussing right now. But the way this team has looked offensively and on special teams this season.... maybe you're right that they're already looking to next year.
 

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