Agree, I'd keep Wallner over Larnach. I think I'd want a really good reliever for Larnach. On the other hand, they don't seem to care to play him, so go ahead and get a reliever.
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Agree, I'd keep Wallner over Larnach. I think I'd want a really good reliever for Larnach. On the other hand, they don't seem to care to play him, so go ahead and get a reliever.
Kirilloff, Lewis, Lee, and Ober are the young studs of the future.
Young guys the Twins could move (my order, not based on trade value):
Martin
Celestino
Miranda
Julien
Richardson
Larnach
Wallner
I agree with your list, but I wouldn't want to lose Julien. His defense is bad, but I'd stick him at first and move Kirilloff to outfield. They have too many LH corner OF. Trade one of either Kepler, Gallo, Larnach, Wallner, or Gordon for sure.
Oh, I like it.
Yeah, it'd take something absolutely crazy to pry away any of those 4 you mention. Like I'd maybe be okay trading 2 of them for Ohtani, but that might be about it.
I think I'd have a slightly different order. Note, this would be the order I'd trade them as part of the same trade. Obviously Celestino isn't going to give you as much as Wallner would.
Celestino - I think he has a low ceiling and I think the Twins have current/future options in CF. Buxton (if he's ever healthy), Taylor (if the resigned him), Lewis, Lee, Martin, Rodriguez. Heck, DaShawn Keirsey might be a better option than Celestino today.
Martin - May end up being a complete bust, but has a good shot at being as good as Celestino and an outside shot to regain his top-prospect status.
Larnach - I just think the Twins have plenty of corner OF options and Larnach might not figure it out. I also think it might be early enough
Miranda - Twins have options at third. Still hope he bounces back, though.
Richardson - Hard choice between him and Julien. I don't know what is wrong with him this year. Hopefully he figures it out. Hate to give up a potential SP, but I think Julien's plate discipline gives him a high floor in the majors.
Julien - High floor, will play in the majors a long time. Chance to be a really good player.
Wallner - I think Julien is more likely to be a star player than Wallner. Much higher chance that Wallner is a bust. But, Wallner has a small chance to be a much bigger star.
What do you guys think for the MLB draft for the Twins.
The obvious answer is to draft whoever is left of the top 5. Probably Max Clark or Walter Jenkins. Both of those would be top 20 prospects immediately and really exciting.
If they don't like one of them, I wouldn't hate Jacob Gonzalez or Kyle Teel. Teel as a college catcher is very intriguing. Would instantly be the Twins top C prospect and probably MLB ready by 2025 or possibly 2024. Plus, they might save a little money and be able to draft a higher rated prospect later.
The obvious answer is to draft whoever is left of the top 5. Probably Max Clark or Walter Jenkins. Both of those would be top 20 prospects immediately and really exciting.
If they don't like one of them, I wouldn't hate Jacob Gonzalez or Kyle Teel. Teel as a college catcher is very intriguing. Would instantly be the Twins top C prospect and probably MLB ready by 2025 or possibly 2024. Plus, they might save a little money and be able to draft a higher rated prospect later.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what is the end game with them? Wallner excels at AAA but doesn't get moved up and Larnach is trending towards a limited bat and fielder. Given their love affair with Kepler, it would not surprise me to see resign him using this short hot streak as justification. Both Wallner and Larnach are avg to below avg defenders so they don't fit the utility role unless they can prove to be very capable bats. I'm just struggling to understand where they fit and what the FO has planned for them.
We don’t know enough about Wallner because they refuse to call him up to really answer that question.
I didn’t include any of the vets in my trade list, but the order for those guys would be Pagone, Gordon, and then Kepler.
Clark would be the guy, but the Twins FO likes college guys. I think Teel is most likely, but maybe they luck out and Skenes falls to them like Lee did last year.
The Twins do take a high school kid in Walker Jenkins. Power lefty. He was the last of the consensus top 5.
The LSU coach gave a comp of Freddie Freeman. Love the pick.
The LSU coach gave a comp of Freddie Freeman. Love the pick.
Love what I'm reading about him CF today, may bulk up and be a power hitting RF. Extremely humble. Some Twins scouts had him #1. Some Carolina scouts say the best HS player from their in 25 years.
Would've loved Clark to get to the Twins, but when he got picked I was really hoping for Jenkins. This is a great draft to be in the top 5, and outside of that it seems like a complete guessing game.
One thing I noticed a ton in this draft is there are a lot of highly rated SS, and most at best have an outside shot at sticking there because they are defensively limited. That's nothing new, but it seems to be an extreme case this year.
Wanted to see how the Twins regime does on trades.
I realized most trades are super boring, so I'll try to list the ones of any consequence.
2017: Traded Huascar Ynoa for Jaime Garcia and Anthony Recker. (slight loss)
2017: Traded Jaime Garcia for Dietrich Enns and Zach Littell. (slight win)
This is basically Huascar Ynoa for Dietrich Enns, Anthony Recker and Zach Littell. Nobody was amazing, but trading 1 minor leaguer for 3 minor leagues isn't bad.
2017: Traded Brandon Kintzler for Tyler Watson and international bonus pool money. That money was traded for Jacob Pearson. (slight loss)
This did not pan out. Can't remember if Kintzler was a free agent, but he worked out pretty well.
2018: Traded Jermaine Palacios for Jake Odorizzi
Big win
2018: Traded Eduardo Escobar for Jhoan Duran +2 more
Big win
2018: Traded Ryan Pressley for Celestino and Alcala
Looks like a loss because Pressley has been insane, but if we traded 2 future MLB players for a reliever, we'd call it a loss.
2018: Traded Brian Dozier for Logan Forsythe, Luke Raley and Devin Smeltzer - seems like we could have gotten more, but Smeltzer had some positive value and Raley is having a huge season this year, just not with the Twins.
Can't really know what other offers were on the table, but this felt weak at the time. Smeltzer was decent and Raley is having a huge year for the Rays, so the talent on the trade turned out decent.
2019: Acquired RHP Sergio Romo and RHP Chris Vallimont and a player to be named in exchange for INF Lewin Diaz.
Diaz has been bad in hte Majors. Romo was good.
2019: Traded OF Jaylin Davis and RHPs Prelander Berroa and Kai-Wei Teng to San Francisco for RHP Sam Dyson.
Oops, but not critical. Jaylin Davis has been bad in the majors. Berroa is a Top 15 prospect in the Mariners organization and Teng is not in the Top 30 for the giants.
2020: Acquired RHP Kenta Maeda and C Jair Camargo and cash considerations from Los Angeles Dodgers for RHP Brusdar Graterol and OF Luke Raley and a Competitive Balance B Pick in the 2020 First-Year Player Draft.
Interesting one. Maeda has been good when healthy and Camargo might have a shot to be a backup C. Graterol has been good for the Dodgers and Raley had a breakout year. I'd usually take a solid starter over a great reliever, but throw Raley on top and this was a miss. That competative Balance B pick is Clayton Beeter, the #13 prospect for the yankees.
2021: Traded LaMonte Wade for Shaun Anderson.
Yuck. Wade has been a lot better than so many backup OFs.
2021: Nelson Cruz for Joe Ryan
Huge win
2021: Berrios for Austin Martin and SWR
I can't call this one a loss. They weren't going to keep Berrios and they got two good prospects who are now struggling. Could still turn it around.
2022: Trading away Mitch Garver wasn't good
2022: Getting out of Donaldson's contract was great
2022: Trading away Taylor Rodgers and Rooker for Pagan is awful. Paddock would have to be a Cy Young winner to salvage this one.
2022: Cano and Povich for Lopez looks bad now. Not as much if Lopez turns things around. Similar to the Ryan Pressly trade with different results.
2022: Mahle for Steer and CES. Hard to see this one having a chance to be salvaged.
I realized most trades are super boring, so I'll try to list the ones of any consequence.
2017: Traded Huascar Ynoa for Jaime Garcia and Anthony Recker. (slight loss)
2017: Traded Jaime Garcia for Dietrich Enns and Zach Littell. (slight win)
This is basically Huascar Ynoa for Dietrich Enns, Anthony Recker and Zach Littell. Nobody was amazing, but trading 1 minor leaguer for 3 minor leagues isn't bad.
2017: Traded Brandon Kintzler for Tyler Watson and international bonus pool money. That money was traded for Jacob Pearson. (slight loss)
This did not pan out. Can't remember if Kintzler was a free agent, but he worked out pretty well.
2018: Traded Jermaine Palacios for Jake Odorizzi
Big win
2018: Traded Eduardo Escobar for Jhoan Duran +2 more
Big win
2018: Traded Ryan Pressley for Celestino and Alcala
Looks like a loss because Pressley has been insane, but if we traded 2 future MLB players for a reliever, we'd call it a loss.
2018: Traded Brian Dozier for Logan Forsythe, Luke Raley and Devin Smeltzer - seems like we could have gotten more, but Smeltzer had some positive value and Raley is having a huge season this year, just not with the Twins.
Can't really know what other offers were on the table, but this felt weak at the time. Smeltzer was decent and Raley is having a huge year for the Rays, so the talent on the trade turned out decent.
2019: Acquired RHP Sergio Romo and RHP Chris Vallimont and a player to be named in exchange for INF Lewin Diaz.
Diaz has been bad in hte Majors. Romo was good.
2019: Traded OF Jaylin Davis and RHPs Prelander Berroa and Kai-Wei Teng to San Francisco for RHP Sam Dyson.
Oops, but not critical. Jaylin Davis has been bad in the majors. Berroa is a Top 15 prospect in the Mariners organization and Teng is not in the Top 30 for the giants.
2020: Acquired RHP Kenta Maeda and C Jair Camargo and cash considerations from Los Angeles Dodgers for RHP Brusdar Graterol and OF Luke Raley and a Competitive Balance B Pick in the 2020 First-Year Player Draft.
Interesting one. Maeda has been good when healthy and Camargo might have a shot to be a backup C. Graterol has been good for the Dodgers and Raley had a breakout year. I'd usually take a solid starter over a great reliever, but throw Raley on top and this was a miss. That competative Balance B pick is Clayton Beeter, the #13 prospect for the yankees.
2021: Traded LaMonte Wade for Shaun Anderson.
Yuck. Wade has been a lot better than so many backup OFs.
2021: Nelson Cruz for Joe Ryan
Huge win
2021: Berrios for Austin Martin and SWR
I can't call this one a loss. They weren't going to keep Berrios and they got two good prospects who are now struggling. Could still turn it around.
2022: Trading away Mitch Garver wasn't good
2022: Getting out of Donaldson's contract was great
2022: Trading away Taylor Rodgers and Rooker for Pagan is awful. Paddock would have to be a Cy Young winner to salvage this one.
2022: Cano and Povich for Lopez looks bad now. Not as much if Lopez turns things around. Similar to the Ryan Pressly trade with different results.
2022: Mahle for Steer and CES. Hard to see this one having a chance to be salvaged.
Will they play him? 3B opened up, but that will be Salano or Farmer. You've got Gallo, Kepler and Kiriloff at RF, LF and 1B.
Gotta think they called him up to play him with Miranda going on the DL. Might mean Kepler or Gallo won't be around long. Heard Buxton has been working towards a CF comeback, so maybe that'll happen.
On a side note, Balazovich pitching well sure helps the bullpen.
If they keep stranding eight guys in the later innings like last night (again) Falvey might figure out they can’t afford to continue with a weak DH. I could see Buxton going to center 2 games a week to give Wallner a shot at DH. What they’re doing now is pathetic.
Miami figured out Arraez can play everyday. He’s hittting .377 against lefties this year.
Just hope the Twins don’t make the same mistake with Julien.
