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CycloneWarning

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13 pages of response to an obviously fake letter that was posted by some bottom of the barrel radio hosts to create a topic for today's show other than actually talking about ISU bball...

Come on fanatics, you know better than to get pulled into another fabricated circus by these radio clowns again don't you?

^^This.

There are some seriously gullible people on here if they think JP or staff looked up giving records or have any records that show an individual never bought a ticket and then used that to bash a fan in an email response. As if paying cash at a ticket window isn't possible?
 

NobodyBeatsCy

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^^This.

There are some seriously gullible people on here if they think JP or staff looked up giving records or have any records that show an individual never bought a ticket and then used that to bash a fan in an email response. As if paying cash at a ticket window isn't possible?

Obviously your opinion carries more weight since you are a donor! :jimlad:
 

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Big deal. I am not a McD fan, and think it was a disastrous decision by Pollard to retain McD. But I don't see anything wrong with Pollard's response.
 

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ISU4ME

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So how does JP's response, if indeed this was from him, accomplish that? Do you really think his response will encourage the guy to buy season tickets or make a donation, or encourage others to do so? Honestly? Or is he more likely to get ****** off, send a copy of the email exchange to radio talk show hosts (and who knows who else? to embarrass JP and ISU?

Simple questions....what good did JP's respone do? What does it accomplish that is good for ISU?


There is a certain sub group of people who like to **** and moan about everything and do no offer any solutions. If the email was true, this guy fits this sub group. Never has a record of purchasing tickets to any ISU event but yet has the time to send an email to **** and moan about the decision made.

Tell me what Pollard should have written in his repsonse that would ge this guy to buy season tickets and join the NCC? My thoughts are there is nothing that Pollard could say that would get this guy to join the fight. Pollard I am sure could find something better to do than read and responsd to an email from someone who is not actively involved in supporting the program via NCC or season tickets.
 

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Chicken and the egg mentality here and a very good excuse to not give money. Just glad our big donors don't have your mentality. Otherwise we wouldn't have a MBB practice facility or a Student Success Center. Both of which were donated durign down times.

As far as JP goes. His response made me laugh and really he had nothing to lose. If the guy hadn't ever donated or bought season tickets asn was no longer going to go to MBB games, there is nothig to lose. The guy would probably never donate or get season tickets. The guy will also stay a ISU fan but will hate Pollard.
for the poster that stated the guy might buy season tickets with a group. Great. The reason people do that is so they can get around the NCC doantion requirement. So instead of four couples donating, only one has to donate. Or you pool your money for better seating assignments. Great for you but not great for the AD.

This is not always true. what if you can afford a $500 donation, and so can each of your 4 freinds. that equals $2500 bucks and you can buy 10 season tickets under the $2500 donation. on the other hand you can all donate $500 separately and still equal $2500. Does it really matter?? Not saying that this is the case but you are ASSumming that this is the case with no evidence.
 

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The Big 12 Tournament begins today...the hot topic on our site is some guy named Matt Rainey who may or may not be a Cyclone fan who reportedly lives in Urbandale.

Gotta love the Internet...:yes:

Wasn't this first posted by your radio buddy Mat P?
 

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I smell a fake from either the radio goons or the Urbandale youngster.

I do too. From what I know of JP, he would not spend the time (or emotion) to write a response like that.
It would more likely be on the lines of "appreciate your concern, but I am confident about the future, etc., etc., thanks for your interest and Go Cyclones."
 

CycloneWarning

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Obviously your opinion carries more weight since you are a donor! :jimlad:

Yes, but I refuse to donate anymore to this site until all these posts from non-donors are removed. They seriously can't expect to listened to if they are not contributing money...:jimlad:
 

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The only part of the email I would have a problem with is point 3. I don't think you give advice to customers/investers/whatever unless they ask for it.

At the same time, I too have my doubts that this email actually came from Pollard.
 

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Wednesday 03-10-2010 6:34am CT
Steve received an email exchange between an Iowa State fan and Iowa State Athletics Director Jamie Pollard. In the email, Pollard says that he had received over 100 emails from Iowa State fans, and the email from the fan cited below was the only one of those emails that contained negative sentiments to Jamie's decisions he announced on Tuesday. Perhaps Miller & Deace are out of touch with what the majority of Cyclone fans think on this issue.

Dear Mr. Pollard,
I am writing you today in regards to the state of the basketball program. I find it troubling that you continue to allow the program that I have watched for as long as I can remember fall into the shambles that it has. I remember watching players like Fred Hoiberg, Marcus Fizer, Jamal Tinsley, and so many more work Hilton Magic. I have watched almost all the games this year, and other then parts of the Texas game, I have not felt that "Magic" since you hired Greg McDermott. In fact, the ticket I bought for the Missouri game will be the last I purchase from your program until there is a change. It is sickening to me to watch the end of Iowa State Basketball games. You can point to the close games and say that they mean something. But every time I watch a close game, I know they are going to lose. I get that sick feeling in my gut because I know whats going to happen. Coach McDermott has shown no ability to coach at the end of the game. No team he has coached has ever shown that they have any capability to win a game in the clutch. Probably because he makes no adjustments during any game I have ever watched. Clearly the strategy he coaches by is not one that will win today, or tomorrow, or any other day in the Big 12 conference. To compound the issue, you are allowing him to basically start his tenure over. More then likely, next year there will be no Craig Brackins. There will be no Marques Gilstrap. Why Mr. Pollard should I buy a ticket to any game next year? To watch Scott Christophersen get burned by players from Kansas, Kansas State, and Texas again? Or better to watch Diante Garrett dribble the ball off his foot five times a game? The only success that Coach McDermott has had is to run off his best players. It sure seems like Mike Taylor and Wesley Johnson seem to be doing fine with their new coaches.
It makes me sick that you are allowing this joke to continue. You are poking the eye of the greats that built this program into the dynasty it was. I feel bad for the likes of Johnny Orr, Jeff Grayer, Barry Stevens, Jeff Hornacek and every other person who poured their heart and soul into this program only to watch you allow it be driven back into the ground. I feel bad for them, and for all the rest of the fans of this program who are forced to put up with this sick joke. I see no improvement and until I do I will not be putting any of my money into your program. In fact, allowing for this hideous nightmare to continue not only should Greg McDermott be worried about his job, but you too, Mr. Pollard.

Sincerely,
Matt Rainey
Urbandale, Iowa

From: [email protected]
To: Matt Rainey
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:43:32 -0600
Subject: RE: State of the Mens Basketball Program

Dear Matt,

Thank you for your email. Several thoughts for your to ponder.

1. Yesterday I received over a hundred emails following our letter to ticket holders and donors. Interesting enough, of all the emails I received, the only negative one was from you. Glad to know that your feelings are not shared by the majority of other Cyclone fans.

2. Although I appreciate your passion and desire to write me, I only wish you had the same passion in helping be part of the solution by joining the Cyclone Club or being a season ticket holder. Our records indicate you have never made a donation, purchased season tickets or even purchased a single game ticket from our department. Unfortunately, athletics is like politics - people have a lot of answers but never many solutions.

3. For someone who claims to be a Cyclone fan for as long as you can remember, it it amusing to me that you never have supported the program that you so claim to love. Rather than spending time worrying about what Orr, Grayer, Hornacek, and others would think - I think you should be more worried about yourself. Your email is actually rather embarrassing given your lack of action.


Thanks again for your email. I do appreciate it. I also hope you give some thought to my question about joining the Cyclone Club or purchasing season tickets. You can't expect better results if all you are willing to do is sit on the sidelines and write an email to the Athletics Director.


Go Cyclones!

Has this email and response from JP been "authenticated"?

As most know, I have been supportive of the initiatives of JP at ISU. He is just doing what nearly every other athletic program in the BCS conferences is doing at present or has done in the recent past. We need to raise more money for athletics and that is his ultimate job.

Most of you also know that I do not believe that GM has gotten (or can get) the job done with ISU MBB...the writing is on the wall as far as I am concerned.

Having said that, the tone and demeanor of this email sent to Pollard is absolutely terrible. To spend so much time denigrating the student athletes in a letter to the AD about the MBB program is very offensive in my opinion.

As offensive as the letter to him is, I find JP's response almost just as offensive. He is the leader of our Athletic Department and for him to lower himself to the level of the original emailer and basically get into the mud pit and wrestle with the sender of this email is both shocking and troubling. I understand he is feeling the pressure over the GM situation but popping off like this to a constituency of ISU athletics is just not acceptable.

Listen, I am in sales and hence I hear the word "no"...but I am always polite to those nos because you never know when they might be a prospect again or lead you to another prospect. Clearly, the original sender of this email is not a donor. But after JP's response, I seriously doubt that he will ever be...even if he is in a position to do so in the future. What if the guy that sent this email is starting a new business and just does not have the juice to give to ISU at present and 15-20 years from now his business is thriving and has thousands of employees...do you think he will remember this and think "eff you ISU athletics"? It is certainly possible.

Jamie might be winning the battle with this sort of response but this sort of mentality is not going to win the war...if you get my drift.
 
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VeloClone

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I have zero problem owning up to stuff that I step in to. No problem at all. And I also don't have any problem explaining things like this.

I was not comfortable with this going on our page. Matt will verify that, as we exchanged a long IM last night. Steve will verify this, as I emailed him about it last night, and I spoke with him about it again this morning. After we chatted about it, I at least got to the point of being ambivalent about it being posted, and said it's his call, and he felt like it should go up.

As for contacting Jamie, we contacted him on Tuesday and gave him an every day invitation to come onto the show this week. He chose to decline, which is totally fine.

More importantly as "journalists" the radio personalities have a responsibility to check on the veracity of the email before posting it, even if that is as simple as a call to Jamie Pollard's office and leaving a message stating that they have an email they are about to publish reportedly from Mr. Pollard, they are trying to verify authenticity and would like to give Mr. Pollard an opportunity to respond. Perhaps they did this (you have yet to indicate that you did), but any reputable journalist would state that they did when they post the email, regardless of the response they got - even if they got no response. An "everyday invitiation to come on the show this week" does not satisfy that responsibility. What I am hearing was that you had hoped that you could get him on the show and spring this on him during the show. When he declined the blind invitation you instead posted it without giving him any opportunity to respond.

Whether or not the email is a legitimate Pollard response, this is shoddy, unethical journalism. Shame on you. I hope your bosses hold you to some sort of a journalistic standard. Just because you posted it on a website does not release your from your journalistic responsibilities.

As far as the email goes, I am disappointed that Jamie didn't simply state that he finds it reprehensible that the author of the email went out of his way to take pot shots at student-athletes who are dedicating themselves to athletic competition for this university. I would find that response, ignoring the rest of the email, the best way Jamie could have responded.

By the way, my emails to Jamie suggesting changes to things have always been responded to in a very thoughtful, professional manner. But then again, my emails to him have always been an attempt to be thoughtful and professional.

END RANT
 

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There is a certain sub group of people who like to **** and moan about everything and do no offer any solutions. If the email was true, this guy fits this sub group. Never has a record of purchasing tickets to any ISU event but yet has the time to send an email to **** and moan about the decision made.

Tell me what Pollard should have written in his repsonse that would ge this guy to buy season tickets and join the NCC? My thoughts are there is nothing that Pollard could say that would get this guy to join the fight. Pollard I am sure could find something better to do than read and responsd to an email from someone who is not actively involved in supporting the program via NCC or season tickets.

He could have been much more diplomatic about it. Come on. He could have simply thanked the man for his email. Then gone on to simply say that he was sorry the man was disappointed in the season, and that he was disappointed too in the won-loss record, but that he felt this was the best decision at this time for the MBB program, ISU, whatever.

Then he could have said that he would hope that the man would continue to support ISU Athletics, and that if he was not already a member, that he would consider becoming a member of Cyclone Club....then go into a little bit about how money is the backbone of successful programs, etc.

There was no need to put the man down, and make him feel that his opinion does not count at all since he is not a season-ticket holder or donor. Come on! How is that going to build your fan base? Or is ISU's fan base so big that the AD can show this kind of arrogance to ANY fan or potential fan?

I honestly do not believe that this was from JP. If however, it was his actual response, then it shows an amount of arrogance and lack of professionalism that I do not think reflects well on ISU at all. No matter what, this guy was still a customer......maybe not ISU's biggest, but still a customer. You don't respond to your customers that way if you want to build your business. You just don't.

If this really is JP's response......tell me what good it accomplished for ISU or the MBB program.
 

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Just for the record - I'm a sports talk show host. Not a journalist for Iowa State. I do write stories on my website but I don't wear a "journalist" hat in Des Moines.

You might say I have responsibility but I didn't put this up...I simply put this up here. I trust Jon and Steve that they have reason to believe this email to be real and fact checked - they are not idiots. Jon even has explained what happened in this thread.
 

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So in other words, it's likely he wasn't alive to see the likes of Jeff Grayer and Hornacek that he is so so worried about. LOL.

I did notice the kid's email address. It's an "iastate.edu" account. I took this to mean he was a student (I'd highly doubt a faculty member would write such an email).

That said, how would JP necessarily have any history on him having season tickets? Is the kid already independently wealthy?

It's highly likely, perhaps, his parents are paying for his current student season tickets? Maybe his parents have been season ticket holders for years, they are the ones expressing their feelings about Grayer, Stephens, Hornecek etc. and he is their voice. Perhaps he has overheard his parents say they are not going to renew? He first mentioned Tinsley, Fizer and Hoiberg. He would be plenty old enough to know them.

As a caveat, I rarely (if ever) agree with the OP, but I'm just pointing out JP may have over reacted, and could have potentially lost a future donor down the line no matter what happens. That said, the emailer could have chosen his words differently.