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And than whiny kid could have been a potential season ticket buyer someday.

If Pollard really wrote that email, I am seriously concerned about him as our AD going forward.

Reread the messages. What Pollard said (if it is in fact Pollard) isn't half as disrespectful as what the other guy wrote.

Pollard isn't saying that you have to be a donor to have an opinion, he's saying "who are you to blast these people?", and I'm fine with that. If you think Pollard is saying "you have to buy tickets to be a fan" you're reading something into the email that isn't there.
 

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Look......when I worked at ISU, I worked at the Iowa State Center. As some (hopefully most) of you know, the Center was built mostly by private donations. Hilton was also build with bonds secured from student fees.

At events, patrons would come up and complain to me about whatever........anything related to that event. Now some of those people may have donated several thousand or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to the construction of the Center (similar to Athletic Department donors). Others may not have contributed a dime, and were attending their first event (Game by game ticket purchasers). Others may not have donated anything, yet attended many events each year (Season ticket holders).

Now, when a person was making a complaint to me, I may or may not have known their status. In some cases I did, but in most I did not. However, no matter what I knew about them, if I ever treated one patron different from another, and treated any patron with less respect just because I knew they had not offered as much support as someone else..........I would not have had my job for very long, I assure you. You can't treat people that way because you never know what their future contribution or level of support might be. It would have made no sense to treat anyone rudely, no matter what they said, or what their level of support was at that time.

It is just stupid to treat fans this way. You have to try and develop the relationship so that if that person's situation changes in the future, they may increase their support. You just never know.

Another side note...from someone who knew how to get support and donations.......when Dr. Hilton proposed the construction of the Center......part of the plan was that ISU students be employed there. One reason obviously, was to help students out with their expenses at school. Another reason though was that Dr. Hilton hoped that their experience of working there would be a good experience and would affect their future support of the Center, or their donations to the ISU Foundation, or ISU in general.

JP's response was arrogant and unprofessional, and IMO an embarrassment to the University. I hope the response is not really from him.......if it is......that is really too bad.


You have been spot on through this entire thread....
 

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I've been thinking about this a lot and something comes to mind.

My parish priest did nearly the exact same thing as JP did. He told a full congregation about it in his homily as well.

He got a call about a year after he took over as pastor. The angry caller asked for the priest who had been gone for a year. He was angry about something and threatened to stop donating if something wasn't done about it. He was rude and the priest looked up his donation history while talking to him. The priest responded that he thought the parish could probably do without the callers $0 in donations.

Now this is not exactly the same situation as the email did not say he would stop donating but it did say he would stop supporting the team which is quite similar.

I'm not 100% a fan of this priest but if he can get away with it and tell a full church about it, I guess I'll give Pollard a pass.
 

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The thing I find funny about this, besides the fact that JP's response was partially unprofessional, was the fact he thinks you have to buy tickets to games to be a fan. Not everyone can afford to go to games. I'm a fan of UCLA stuff, but I've never bought tickets to any of their sporting events in my own name (it was always my dad buying tickets). So I guess their AD is going to claim I'm not a fan now by JP's logic because I never bought tickets for myself to any of their games.

DO you expect them to look at your opinion the same as a season ticket holder or donor? If you do, you need to wake up.

With regard to the business comparison: If I have a customer come up to me and say "Hey, I think you guys need to change this because the way you are doing it isn't working" I am going to take it into consideration and possibly take action. Now if a non customer, someone who does not and has not done business here says "Hey, you guys do things completely wrong and the product you seel is ****. Also your employees suck as well" I am not going to try and please him. One, because he is an ******* and two because my company is no better off with someone like that on board.

My point is not only the status of the fan but also the tone. Had the original emailer had a different tone the response may have been different.

Look at this from the other end. If you are a season ticket holder or donor, do you really want your opinion weighted the same as someone who gives no money to the program and does not help further the program?
 

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I would argue that those non-donating fair weather fans are really the backbone of a program. The die hards are always going to donate. Its the fair weather fans that really push the program over the top.

I'm not really buying into the "far reaching" consequences of this email. Taken by itself, this guy got what he deserves for being a whiny turd.

The rest of Cyclone Nation will move on as it has. Anyone who's buying tickets is supporting the program. I won't fault anyone for deciding it's not worth the money, but it's funny that someone writes a personal letter to Pollard blasting him, his coaching staffs, former players, etc, yet somehow still feels entitled to a polite response. F him. He got a G rated reply if you ask me.
 

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Reread the messages. What Pollard said (if it is in fact Pollard) isn't half as disrespectful as what the other guy wrote.

Pollard isn't saying that you have to be a donor to have an opinion, he's saying "who are you to blast these people?", and I'm fine with that. If you think Pollard is saying "you have to buy tickets to be a fan" you're reading something into the email that isn't there.


Pollard isn't saying that you have to be a donor to have an opinion, he's saying "who are you to blast these people?"


Uh, what?? So he isn't saying you have to be a donor to have an opinion, but you don't have the right to complain since you aren't a donor? Am I correct?
 

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IF Pollard wrote this, and I in no way think he did, that's awesome! But like I said, I don't think he did.
 
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No, JP is saying that if you don't contribute anything to the program then you don't have a lot of room to criticize the program either.

No, I don't think you got my point. JP looked up in a database whether this guy bought tickets or not. That means jack. Some parents could buy season tickets for their kids, and it's in the parents names, not the kids. How would he know the kids never went to the games? It's not in their name.

Second of all, I don't care whether or not you pay or not. If you follow the program, it's enough. There's other ways to measure value of something other than directly money. You have no idea who is "turning their friends on" to ISU, who's wearing ISU gear everyday, etc. The athletic department doesn't know that, and that can be valued too, but they'd have no idea.

If you are a fan of something, I don't care if you pay or not, if you feel strongly about a program you actually follow even if you can't afford to contribute money to it, I think you have every right in the world to make suggestions on how to improve something. Just because you buy tickets doesn't make you any more of an expert than someone who sits at home and watches on TV.
 

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No, I don't think you got my point. JP looked up in a database whether this guy bought tickets or not. That means jack. Some parents could buy season tickets for their kids, and it's in the parents names, not the kids. How would he know the kids never went to the games? It's not in their name.

Second of all, I don't care whether or not you pay or not. If you follow the program, it's enough. There's other ways to measure value of something other than directly money. You have no idea who is "turning their friends on" to ISU, who's wearing ISU gear everyday, etc. The athletic department doesn't know that, and that can be valued too, but they'd have no idea.

If you are a fan of something, I don't care if you pay or not, if you feel strongly about a program you actually follow even if you can't afford to contribute money to it, I think you have every right in the world to make suggestions on how to improve something. Just because you buy tickets doesn't make you any more of an expert than someone who sits at home and watches on TV.

It's a stretch to call that email suggestions on how to improve. That suggests constructive criticism. This was not.
 
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Man, I remember when the whole Tirrell/Cotlar incident happend there were people pimping how great MP was. Boy where they wrong. I liked him in the beginning but in recent months he has become annoying. I really like Ken Miller, so I continue to listen. That may have to stop soon.
 

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Matt-They are ******* using you right now. They owe you big for this, I hope you realize this.
 

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At least Pollard returns emails. I have never sent JP an email and never got a reply. I dont think I have ever got a reply email from anyone at KXNO. I still do not understand why Barta is off limits on everything.
 
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So this Matt guy says in the letter that the Mizzou game was the last one HE would buy from the athletic department, but on the air he said HE has never bought a ticket...
 

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DO you expect them to look at your opinion the same as a season ticket holder or donor? If you do, you need to wake up.

With regard to the business comparison: If I have a customer come up to me and say "Hey, I think you guys need to change this because the way you are doing it isn't working" I am going to take it into consideration and possibly take action. Now if a non customer, someone who does not and has not done business here says "Hey, you guys do things completely wrong and the product you seel is ****. Also your employees suck as well" I am not going to try and please him. One, because he is an ******* and two because my company is no better off with someone like that on board.

My point is not only the status of the fan but also the tone. Had the original emailer had a different tone the response may have been different.

Look at this from the other end. If you are a season ticket holder or donor, do you really want your opinion weighted the same as someone who gives no money to the program and does not help further the program?


That's where customer relations break down. It's easy to build a "trust network" amongst donors and season ticket holders and assume they know what they're talking about. It's part of being a cognitive miser and not wasting too many resources. Then again, you are assume that someone who holds season tickets automatically knows what they're talking about. However, again, it's not always the case. There could be a farmer 10 miles outside of Ames who's a die hard ISU fan for the last 50 years, but maybe he doesn't have a lot of money so he can't afford to attend games or get season tickets, or donate any money to the university. Since he hasn't "contributed anything" to ISU, nobody is going to listen to him which in my opinion is a shame.

I also agree with you, the emailer could have had a different tone, but as much power as JP has and considering he probably didn't know the emailer before, to me it's completely unacceptable to respond like that. When I deal with clients that I don't know, even if they say something snide and rude, you never ever respond back with something back. You build a relation first otherwise your customer relations are going to break down before they even begin. I can't tell you how deep in **** i would be if I actually responded like JP. I'd probably be thrown off the project right away and replaced.
 

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DO you expect them to look at your opinion the same as a season ticket holder or donor? If you do, you need to wake up.

With regard to the business comparison: If I have a customer come up to me and say "Hey, I think you guys need to change this because the way you are doing it isn't working" I am going to take it into consideration and possibly take action. Now if a non customer, someone who does not and has not done business here says "Hey, you guys do things completely wrong and the product you seel is ****. Also your employees suck as well" I am not going to try and please him. One, because he is an ******* and two because my company is no better off with someone like that on board.

My point is not only the status of the fan but also the tone. Had the original emailer had a different tone the response may have been different.

Look at this from the other end. If you are a season ticket holder or donor, do you really want your opinion weighted the same as someone who gives no money to the program and does not help further the program?

But the guy was a fan.......and a customer, so your analogy makes no sense. He may not have been a big customer, but quite honestly, JP has no way of knowing that.......just because the guy is not a season-ticket holder or donor does not mean he is not a customer, unless you think JP has some way of tracking who exactly purchases every ticket at the ticket window, or any other outlet.

A customer is a customer. They have the right to complain to you no matter their level of support......and if for no other reason, just for your own business's self-preservation.......you have to listen just because you never know what the level of support may be in the future.

Scroll back to what I said about working at the Center, and how we had to treat donors and customers there. This is exactly the same thing.
 

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So this Matt guy says in the letter that the Mizzou game was the last one HE would buy from the athletic department, but on the air he said HE has never bought a ticket...

I have never bought a BB ticket, yet have attended my share of games through the years.
 

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I am hardly upset. Not at all. It's your favorite team, not mine. I wish my favorite team was in a position to capitalize on what I expect to be another wasted year next year for ISU. But I don't think they will

Thanks for the admission. It is now crystal clear that you would prefer to see ISU suffer and to see Iowa profit because of that suffering. Stay Classy!!