A thought on Barnett
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Since we are throwing around terms like "Football IQ" I have another one, "Crack under pressure" It's a little easier to look good in practice, when you know you aren't going to get crushed, even if someone gets right through line. One of our QBs looks good in practice and cracks under pressure.
As I've stated above, I would support any guy who's out there. Why does everyone always think the back-up is the savior though? There's a reason he's not playing, and that reason is not because he was blowing up the league with his spectacular in game performances.
lol. sure. Jantz was 0-4 with an interception and a sack when he got yanked against A&M. I am sure keeping him in would have resulted in a win.
Jantz is a turnover machine in games. If he is wonder boy in practice, good for him. I hope he continues to press JB to get better.
Experience brings confidence and confidence is everything in a QB. Which is why I would like to see either SR or GR getting a few snaps in the remaining games this season. I DO NOT want to have this QB issue every damn year.
JB has arm strenght. He is not all the time accurate. Look at the speed he can throw some of these passes. He can throw ACES like some 40 yard bombs and quick slant 7 yard passes. I love him. He should start in Stillwater AND next sat against Baylor. ISU 21..OK state 20.
It is not that complicated. JB has not won the starting QB job, Steele and his turnovers lost it. Our offense is limited enough that we cannot afford 2+ turnovers each game from the QB position.
Both Steele and JB had turnover issues last year. Steele continued his problems into this year, JB (so far) has improved ball security.
And the offense, frankly, looks smoother under JB's leadership.
But I am sure the staff is ready to make a change if JB can no longer be effective or starts having repeated turnover issues.
Both Steele and JB had turnover issues last year. Steele continued his problems into this year, JB (so far) has improved ball security.
And the offense, frankly, looks smoother under JB's leadership.
But I am sure the staff is ready to make a change if JB can no longer be effective or starts having repeated turnover issues.
I will have to disagree with you here. IcSyU makes a good point. Don't look at the TCU game as a shining example of great QB play. The guy completed 2 passes for 125 yards and 2 touchdowns. The rest of the game he completed 10 of 19 passes for 58 yards which is around 3 yards per attempt. A QB that did nothing more then dump off shovel passes to his runningbacks would more then likely average over 3 yards per attempt. In the K-State game he averaged just over 4.5 yards per attempt which is below average.
The question that still remains and hasn't been answered yet is how do we improve those numbers? How can Messingham put Barnett into positions that help him be more successful? Roll out passes? Put a WR in motion to help Barnett identify if the defense is playing man or zone coverage? There are lots of things that can be done to help the guy outside of the typical responses of "block better" or "run the ball better". Our offense against K-State was as vanilla as vanilla can get. ISU didn't run 1 play against K-State that was creative. Pistol handoff, zone read, 4 wide passes. How about that diamond backfield formation with Horne when ISU busted off a big run against TCU. We have seen that play 1 time all season and it was a great success... Why didn't that play get run against K-State? K-State was similar to the Tech game where our offense was a basic as it could possibly be and although things weren't working all that well we didn't try anything different. That is frustrating.
We are dealing with Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton here. Neither QB is B12 material. Rotate all 3 QBs if need be this year, because next year there needs to be a complete change. I'm hoping for Richardson or a transfer in 2013. It's been 10 years since we've had a good QB. We can't count on JB to improve. He doesn't have a good arm, is the shortest Qb in the B12, and panics when the game is on the line. We have to do better.
I am going to give an obvious answer but I believe this is absolutely the key. We have tot run the ball better, especially on 1st down. We have to get him in situations to succeed. I talked about KSU doing this a lot. They get into positions where the defense cannot sell out one way or the other. 2nd and 8 or 9 is not a good situation. 2nd and 5 is. We have to get to more of those. It's simple to say but harder to do evidently.
Yep. It's frustrating yet strangely encouraging at the same time. ISU is 6 games into one of the toughest schedules in the country and they are 4-2. The offense has been struggling for most of the year and yet they have been in the game late in the 2nd half in both of the losses. That is encouraging. It also is frustrating knowing that if ISU could just get a little more offensive production they would most likely be sitting at 6-0.
I agree. Running the ball better is a factor for sure. It should get easier against the remaining schedule as well. We need some creativity though. The play they ran at TCU with the diamond formation and a handoff to Horne for about 30 yards was a thing of beauty. Hadn't seen that play before that I can recall and haven't seen it since. It's as if they said "That played worked great... let's scrap it."
I think his dad taught him to keep the ball low especially in the Texas wind. The pros throw low more often than high on purpose.
I don't neccessarily disagree. With what I'm about to say, talent disclaimers apply but Oregon is an example of a team that doesn't do anything fancy running the football. They have done some jet stuff and things like that but it really isn't that intricate. What they do, do, is constrain the ever living crap out of defenses. I have been meaning to do something like this on my site but I just haven't gotten it done but here goes:
They will line up similar to how we do and you can tell whether it's inside or outside zone. If the HB is behind the QB it's inside. If hes slightly in front it's outside. They are telling where the play is headed. Now, will they always go with how it lines up? No, of course not because defenses would kill that. The rest comes in execution. Let's say they line up for outside zone. If the defense cheats and flows hard to cut off the outside, the line just basically, let's them go, seals the backside and creates this huge cutback lane. That's in execution. This is all pretty simply explained but it's the general idea and that's constraint. Let the defense know your intention and then use that against them. That's constraint. Another good example was Denard Robinson in 2010. Again, talent disclaimes because he is one of the most dynamic runners of all time, but Michigan ran a simple QB zone with him and a lead blocker in the begginning of the year. It killed teams. What did RichRod do? He added a slot receiver releasing straight down the field. That was constraining the safety.
Now, we obviously don't have that talent. I will concede that. Once everyone lines up, I'm not sure that matters. The linebackers/Dline and safeties aren't sitting there saying "They can't run that even if I don't get there." They are saying "Get to the POA and make a play." If you can do something really well that helps but I'm not sure it is a necessity to be able to do things like this. When I watch defenses play us, I see defenses going hard for where we line up. If it looks like outside zone they are busting *** over there and we are simply trying to block that up without ever punishing people for basically cheating the play. I would love to see our Oline seal the backside, let the playside defenders screw themselves and create a huge running lane on the cutback. You do have to have RBs that can see that develop, though. I don't know if we have that or not. White seems like a get it and go type of guy and I'm not sold on Johnsons vision just yet.
This isn't the best example but you can see that the QB has read the DE contain and handed off. You can also see that James has made a cut back to the right and the Oline on the playside has started pushing to the boundary. The two backside linemen have gotten to the second level. That's huge yardage.
He just doesn't throw the ball very well. The sooner you realize this, the less disappointed you will be by an atrocious passing game.
I don't neccessarily disagree. With what I'm about to say, talent disclaimers apply but Oregon is an example of a team that doesn't do anything fancy running the football. They have done some jet stuff and things like that but it really isn't that intricate. What they do, do, is constrain the ever living crap out of defenses. I have been meaning to do something like this on my site but I just haven't gotten it done but here goes:
They will line up similar to how we do and you can tell whether it's inside or outside zone. If the HB is behind the QB it's inside. If hes slightly in front it's outside. They are telling where the play is headed. Now, will they always go with how it lines up? No, of course not because defenses would kill that. The rest comes in execution. Let's say they line up for outside zone. If the defense cheats and flows hard to cut off the outside, the line just basically, let's them go, seals the backside and creates this huge cutback lane. That's in execution. This is all pretty simply explained but it's the general idea and that's constraint. Let the defense know your intention and then use that against them. That's constraint. Another good example was Denard Robinson in 2010. Again, talent disclaimes because he is one of the most dynamic runners of all time, but Michigan ran a simple QB zone with him and a lead blocker in the begginning of the year. It killed teams. What did RichRod do? He added a slot receiver releasing straight down the field. That was constraining the safety.
Now, we obviously don't have that talent. I will concede that. Once everyone lines up, I'm not sure that matters. The linebackers/Dline and safeties aren't sitting there saying "They can't run that even if I don't get there." They are saying "Get to the POA and make a play." If you can do something really well that helps but I'm not sure it is a necessity to be able to do things like this. When I watch defenses play us, I see defenses going hard for where we line up. If it looks like outside zone they are busting *** over there and we are simply trying to block that up without ever punishing people for basically cheating the play. I would love to see our Oline seal the backside, let the playside defenders screw themselves and create a huge running lane on the cutback. You do have to have RBs that can see that develop, though. I don't know if we have that or not. White seems like a get it and go type of guy and I'm not sold on Johnsons vision just yet.
This isn't the best example but you can see that the QB has read the DE contain and handed off. You can also see that James has made a cut back to the right and the Oline on the playside has started pushing to the boundary. The two backside linemen have gotten to the second level. That's huge yardage.
Excellent analysis. Oregon is a great example of efficiency on offense. Rather then banking on the O-line to get a push up front they let the defense get themselves out of position and then the O-line has a huge advantage. They don't have to sustain blocks for as long either because their defender is already out of position on the play. Oregon's offense is lethal because of the elite playmakers they have and that can't be replicated as a whole but some of their specific plays are so brilliant and simple that just about any spread team could run a few of them and have success.
That's hardly a nice thing to say about Barnett's performance at the and of the game against K-State, and in the Pinstripe Bowl.
Good point. Now the backup has had his chance, time to put the starter back in!
