Albert Gary - charges reduced

[sweetwater]

fwiw, i've let my thoughts be known ........ hope others do the same

Why is anyone outraged about the basic facts here NOW? This was all well known last year, both before and after he was playing. At a minimum, the rumors were very thick. I highly doubt CPR is being caught off guard here.

CPR almost certainly knew the facts last year, and still played him. I think that is all you need to know on the issue of whether Gary will play this year.

If Gary does not play this year, it will be because the decision was taken out of CPR's hands. I hope that doesn't happen. I trust CPR to make informed and realistic decisions.

 

[CyFan61]

Unless a player kills or rapes somebody...suit him up.

You know I really wonder what the tough guy pitchfork crowd would say if the player was right in front of them? Or maybe knew them personally? If that was your boy or somebody your kid went to school with and you know to be a decent kid?

I can say those exact same things about the victim. If the victim was right in front of you, would you still say:

Unless a player kills or rapes somebody...suit him up.

 

[clonestar12]

Why is anyone outraged about the basic facts here NOW? This was all well known last year, both before and after he was playing. At a minimum, the rumors were very thick. I highly doubt CPR is being caught off guard here.

CPR almost certainly knew the facts last year, and still played him. I think that is all you need to know on the issue of whether Gary will play this year.

If Gary does not play this year, it will be because the decision was taken out of CPR's hands. I hope that doesn't happen. I trust CPR to make informed and realistic decisions.

Campus security issues and university policy are beyond CPR`s control. I am hopeful young Mr Gary has played his last snap for ISU.

 

[sweetwater]

Campus security issues and university policy are beyond CPR`s control. I am hopeful young Mr Gary has played his last snap for ISU.

That may be. I hope not. But I think we know CPR's position, given that Gary played last year, following a suspension.

Again, I don't know why people are outraged NOW. This result is not a surprise.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

You pull a gun on my child on campus and you are on scholarship to play football, you would be gone......history. The fact that he is pleading guily to a felony is proof enough. My Attorney would park a lawsuit at the door of the new president and he would take swift action. Young Mr Gary needs to go back to Florida(or where ever he is from). If he gets jail time, it will be a moot point.

I agree with this. If he's stupid enough to do what he did, who knows what else he'll try. Pulling a gun, fake or real, puts him in a class of idiot I don't want at ISU. Not my decision obviously but I won't support it.

 

[Aclone]

I agree with this. If he's stupid enough to do what he did, who knows what else he'll try. Pulling a gun, fake or real, puts him in a class of idiot I don't want at ISU. Not my decision obviously but I won't support it.

Yeah, because no one has ever done anything idiotic while at ISU before!

That may be. I hope not. But I think we know CPR's position, given that Gary played last year, following a suspension.

Again, I don't know why people are outraged NOW. This result is not a surprise.

It's a knee jerk reaction. The see the word "felony" and jump to conclusions without either waiting for, or bothering to ascertain facts. I believe the technical term for that is generally regarded to be "jerks".

 

[Aclone]

I can say those exact same things about the victim. If the victim was right in front of you, would you still say:

Yeah, you're right. The victim who was...patted down. Oh, the horror! The horror!!!!

 

[Aclone]

I believe you are incorrect. Once this case is finalized and Gary becomes a convicted felon, university policy most likely dictates that he is dismissed from school and the team. I don`t believe that CPR has any say in the matter from here on out.

Jump to conclusions much?

fwiw, i've let my thoughts be known ........ hope others do the same

You too. Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Seriously.

All of this crap in this thread based on a tweet. For cryin' out loud...

 

[Cycsk]

I agree with this. If he's stupid enough to do what he did, who knows what else he'll try. Pulling a gun, fake or real, puts him in a class of idiot I don't want at ISU. Not my decision obviously but I won't support it.

Way too much over-reaction on this. Rhoads knew the facts and played him so he probably will again.

I think this was a stupid prank gone really bad. What were these guys thinking? With all the knowledge about racial profiling, black guys in Ames have to be extra careful.

Rhoads seems to see this for what it is. And he knows the facts better than any of us.

It is not good for Cyclone Nation to have players do stupid things. But it is also not good for us to over-react so much. You guys who want him gone just don't seem to see it for what it is. Fortunately for Gray and the team, Rhoads does.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

Yeah, because no one has ever done anything idiotic while at ISU before! .

Everyone does idiotic stuff, very few pull guns. Practical joke or not, that goes beyond 2nd chance time. But it all don't matter because no one on this board are the ones making the decision

 

[rebecacy]

You guys who want him gone just don't seem to see it for what it is. Fortunately for Gray and the team, Rhoads does.

What it is ------ is a felony that occurred on campus .............. how anyone can draw a conclusion that he should not be gone is beyond me.

 

[Cycsk]

What it is ------ is a felony that occurred on campus .............. how anyone can draw a conclusion that he should not be gone is beyond me.

Did the arresting officer have any discretion about whether to charge him with a felony or not? I don't know. But from the facts I know, this seems to be in the area that could be understood as a felony or a dumb prank gone bad.

I hope other players learn the lesson, don't carry guns, and don't intimidate people off the field.

 

[rebecacy]

Did the arresting officer have any discretion about whether to charge him with a felony or not? I don't know. But from the facts I know, this seems to be in the area that could be understood as a felony or a dumb prank gone bad.

I hope other players learn the lesson, don't carry guns, and don't intimidate people off the field.

i'm sure the victim saw it as a prank and he is pleading guilty to a felony ---- the areas for confusion evade me.

 

[Aclone]

Everyone does idiotic stuff, very few pull guns. Practical joke or not, that goes beyond 2nd chance time. But it all don't matter because no one on this board are the ones making the decision

Very few? As long as no one is distinguishing between "real" and "fake"--how many water guns did you have pulled on you while you were on campus?

What it is ------ is a felony that occurred on campus .............. how anyone can draw a conclusion that he should not be gone is beyond me.

One very large thing that matters, as you have already admitted, you are jumping to the conclusion that the player will be convicted of a felony.

Is that simple enough, clear enough for you?

Lordy, I'd be embarrassed. :no:

FWIW, for anyone who is interested, here are three of my earlier posts on the subject. The first might be most relevant:

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/2800547-post85.html

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/2800560-post93.html

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/2800584-post101.html

 

[D UP Clones]

What it is ------ is a felony that occurred on campus .............. how anyone can draw a conclusion that he should not be gone is beyond me.

Yeah, because other college kids never do really stupid things that could be felonies depending on the result but get lucky. Keep cheering for them because they didn't get charged.

It's a Pellet gun and don't bother with citing the law. I know what it says. I also know if your kid showed a pellet gun (not pointed it at someone) to someone and patted someone down that you wouldn't think it should be a felony.

The response would go something like, "He's a stupid kid. He didn't intend to rob anyone. He didn't take anything and didn't realize what he was doing was such a big mistake. Can you give him a break? He's sorry and won't ever do anything so stupid again. We will make a full apology to the victim."

But since it isn't your child, throw the book at him. Yeah, I am flabbergasted that some people actually understand the reality of what happened and not the joke of what people have tried to turn it into.

Why are they reducing the charges then? Yeah, I know the answer to that too.

 

[Cycsk]

i'm sure the victim saw it as a prank

Exactly. I suspect that the victim received it more like a felony than a prank. Thus, the officer charged him with a felony.

However, I would still like to know if the officer can exercise his discretion in a case like this and whether he did.

Also, Rebe, did you ever have any college pranks go bad that could have been construed as felonies by the victims and an arresting officer? I have and I'm glad that the authorities didn't throw the book at me every time they could have.

 

[alarson]

i'm sure the victim saw it as a prank

'how the victim saw it' is not the entirety of how we determine if a crime was committed (or the degree thereof), you know. And justice is not just about vengeance for the victim (or victims' families) but the most fair punishment for the actions committed weighing their intents as well.

99% chance he's playing for us next year. He received his penalty from CPR last year when CPR had all the details. The justice system will hand out the penalty it deems appropriate. After that, he will have served the punishment deemed necessary (which may be no jail sentence at all) by the court and by CPR and the matter will be settled. Just let him know he's on an extremely short leash, and any further infractions will be cause for dismissal.

People's want to have people's entire lives destroyed permanently any time they commit a crime has caused a lot of problems for our country.

 

[rebecacy]

'how the victim saw it' is not the entirety of how we determine if a crime was committed (or the degree thereof), you know. And justice is not just about vengeance for the victim (or victims' families) but the most fair punishment for the actions committed weighing their intents as well.

99% chance he's playing for us next year. He received his penalty from CPR last year when CPR had all the details. The justice system will hand out the penalty it deems appropriate. After that, he will have served the punishment deemed necessary (which may be no jail sentence at all) by the court and by CPR and the matter will be settled. Just let him know he's on an extremely short leash, and any further infractions will be cause for dismissal.

People's want to have people's entire lives destroyed permanently any time they commit a crime has caused a lot of problems for our country.

This will not be CPR's call given it happened on central campus in front of Curtiss Hall ..... there are clear guidelines at ISU on how such felony cases are handled and these are independent of any coach of any sport -- later this month when the case is no longer pending these guidelines can come into effect. Having varying standards on how similar crimes are handled among people of different social standing has caused a lot of problems for our country.

 

[alarson]

. Having double standards on how similar crimes are handled among people of different social standing has caused a lot of problems for our country.

I havent shown a double standard. Its only the pitchfork crowd saying someone should automatically be kicked off campus for something like this. I would disagree whether it was a football player or just some random student. The whole situation has to be weighed.

 

[rebecacy]

I havent shown a double standard. Its only the pitchfork crowd saying someone should automatically be kicked off campus for something like this. I would disagree whether it was a football player or just some random student. The whole situation has to be weighed.

Fair and if the courts defer judgement, so will I. As I should.