Anybody else..

[Cyclonestate78]

The Scotty criticism is ridiculous. Dude practically won the last two games for us. When he has a cold night he is "forcing the issue." He was hot coming into tonight, I'm glad he forced the issue. As a scorer you can't fold it in and quit shooting because you are cold. You shoot your way out of a slump.

I think Reggie Miller said something along the lines of "A great shooter has a short memory."

Completely agree.

Scotty was a bit off from the outside last night there is NO doubt about that. So like the smart kid that he is he starts dribble penetrating in an effort to get to the free throw line! The kid is 3rd in the nation if free throw shooting percentage. It's hard for him when he is getting mugged and John Higgins and Co. aren't calling any fouls.

We have all watched Scotty play for several years now. How many times have you seen him jog to a ref with his hands in the air asking where the foul call was on his drive to the basket? Until last night the answer was never and that speaks volumes about the officiating in that game.

 

[heitclone]

Completely agree.

Scotty was a bit off from the outside last night there is NO doubt about that. So like the smart kid that he is he starts dribble penetrating in an effort to get to the free throw line! The kid is 3rd in the nation if free throw shooting percentage. It's hard for him when he is getting mugged and John Higgins and Co. aren't calling any fouls.

We have all watched Scotty play for several years now. How many times have you seen him jog to a ref with his hands in the air asking where the foul call was on his drive to the basket? Until last night the answer was never and that speaks volumes about the officiating in that game.

I noticed this too and can't remember it happening before or at least not to that degree. I think it was a combo of some questionable no calls and the fact that he was struggling. I think the frustration from that may have even lead him to force the issue a bit, he's a competitive guy(maybe the most competitive on the team), I don't really blame him for that, in fact thats why we all love the guy. In hindsight Freddie could have maybe tried to reel him in a bit but I think Fred knows Scotty and knows you can't handcuff what makes him a great player. I think the last few minutes could have been called a bit different by FH but I get why they went the way they did.

 

[jbhtexas]

This Missouri team has 6 seniors

This game was basically a battle of wills...slower pace vs. pushing the pace. The senior experience helped MU swing the game pace to their favor.

The Scotty criticism is ridiculous. Dude practically won the last two games for us. When he has a cold night he is "forcing the issue." He was hot coming into tonight, I'm glad he forced the issue. As a scorer you can't fold it in and quit shooting because you are cold. You shoot your way out of a slump.

Some criticism is warranted. SC is a senior, and he needed to realize:
1) that his dribbling deep into the paint was not working, not going to draw fouls on this particular night, and that he was helping MU to establish the up-tempo pace they wanted
2) RW was practically unstoppable, owning the interior, and had Ratliffe in foul trouble.

Some nights it's not your night. A PG/team leader, when that is the case, needs to back off and look for other options, especially when there are other things that are working (like RW inside).

MU had no answer for RW, and ISU didn't capitalize. If the players on the floor didn't see this, it is then up to the coaches to help them see it. It's hard for me to believe the SC would disregard a direct order from CFH to stop trying dribble penetration.

 

[RollsRoyce]

Completely agree.

Scotty was a bit off from the outside last night there is NO doubt about that. So like the smart kid that he is he starts dribble penetrating in an effort to get to the free throw line! The kid is 3rd in the nation if free throw shooting percentage. It's hard for him when he is getting mugged and John Higgins and Co. aren't calling any fouls.

We have all watched Scotty play for several years now. How many times have you seen him jog to a ref with his hands in the air asking where the foul call was on his drive to the basket? Until last night the answer was never and that speaks volumes about the officiating in that game.

He does it practically every time he gets it stolen. Watch the replay from even the KSU game. You are way off on that one.

 

[VeloClone]

I noticed this too and can't remember it happening before or at least not to that degree. I think it was a combo of some questionable no calls and the fact that he was struggling. I think the frustration from that may have even lead him to force the issue a bit, he's a competitive guy(maybe the most competitive on the team), I don't really blame him for that, in fact thats why we all love the guy. In hindsight Freddie could have maybe tried to reel him in a bit but I think Fred knows Scotty and knows you can't handcuff what makes him a great player. I think the last few minutes could have been called a bit different by FH but I get why they went the way they did.

It happened when he couldn't buy a foul against Whithey in the Phog. Whithey ended up with 7 "blocks".

 

[Cyclonestate78]

knife in the back is hardly it. Questioning is more like it.

Did you have a problem with the way Scotty played and Fred coached at K-State? How about in the other 20 games that ISU has put in the win column this year?

Are you upset with Royce for throwing 3 or 4 passes into the crowd for turnovers?
Were you upset with Booker for his technical?

Were you upset with Ejim for not going strong to the basket on 3 or 4 possessions where he either fumbled a pass or got the ball stripped and turned it over when it should have been a layup or a dunk?

Were you upset with McGee for forcing up some contested 3's when other guys were open... one of which he airballed by about 2 feet?

Were you upset with Royce for his "Ole" style of defense as the Mizzou guards drove right by him uncontested for layups on several possessions?

Were you upset with Royce's shot selection after hitting a couple jump shots and he all of a sudden thought he was Scotty and was taking quick jumpers that aren't a normal part of his game?

Were you upset with Chris Allen for vanishing in this game?

Were you upset with Hoiberg's coaching in the first 3 minutes when ISU fell behind 7-0? Is he a crappy beginning of the game coach?

Funny because each of those things were reasons ISU was in the position that they were in at the end of that game that even gave Mizzou a chance to win. The final 2 minutes of that game isn't the reason for a win or a loss.... the other 38 minutes count just as much. Let's get a grip.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

He does it practically every time he gets it stolen. Watch the replay from even the KSU game. You are way off on that one.

So he physically jogged over to the ref on each of those plays during a dead-ball and was pleading his case to get some foul calls? Try again. :twitcy:

 

[VeloClone]

Did you have a problem with the way Scotty played and Fred coached at K-State? How about in the other 20 games that ISU has put in the win column this year?

Are you upset with Royce for throwing 3 or 4 passes into the crowd for turnovers?
Were you upset with Booker for his technical?

Were you upset with Ejim for not going strong to the basket on 3 or 4 possessions where he either fumbled a pass or got the ball stripped and turned it over when it should have been a layup or a dunk?

Were you upset with McGee for forcing up some contested 3's when other guys were open... one of which he airballed by about 2 feet?

Were you upset with Royce for his "Ole" style of defense as the Mizzou guards drove right by him uncontested for layups on several possessions?

Were you upset with Royce's shot selection after hitting a couple jump shots and he all of a sudden thought he was Scotty and was taking quick jumpers that aren't a normal part of his game?

Were you upset with Chris Allen for vanishing in this game?

Were you upset with Hoiberg's coaching in the first 3 minutes when ISU fell behind 7-0? Is he a crappy beginning of the game coach?

Funny because each of those things were reasons ISU was in the position that they were in at the end of that game that even gave Mizzou a chance to win. The final 2 minutes of that game isn't the reason for a win or a loss.... the other 38 minutes count just as much. Let's get a grip.

I have to spread it around like manure on the back 40. So you'll have to take this ****...+1i

 

[VeloClone]

So he physically jogged over to the ref on each of those plays during a dead-ball and was pleading his case to get some foul calls? Try again. :twitcy:

Didn't say dead ball in your first post on this. I agree, haven't seen him do that before. He has ran past the ref asking WTF before.

 

[Palmer]

He does it practically every time he gets it stolen. Watch the replay from even the KSU game. You are way off on that one.

you are right.


time to bench Scotty and fire Fred!


now that is done....can you leave?

 

[PabloDiablo]

Gosh, I can't imagine any coach in the country telling a 93% free throw shooter to try and drive to get a foul called in the final few minutes of a competitive game. That's ridiculous!! Just crazy talk.

Fact is, not much of anything was working in the final minutes offensively because Mizzou was absolutely swarming on D.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I have to spread it around like manure on the back 40. So you'll have to take this ****...+1i

I'll take it.

 

[Cydkar]

Does anyone have any thoughts about the quality of the concessions at Hilton this year?

I'm going to start a jalapeno thread. Stay tuned.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I'm going to start a jalapeno thread. Stay tuned.

Just wondering why I have gotten the same message " You have given out too much rep in the last 24 hours" for 2 days straight now. You and Velo have some coming. :yes:

 

[VeloClone]

Just wondering why I have gotten the same message " You have given out too much rep in the last 24 hours" for 2 days straight now. You and Velo have some coming. :yes:

Why did I hear that in my Mom's mad voice when she used to say that I "will get what's coming to me". :wideeyed:

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Why did I hear that in my Mom's mad voice when she used to say that I "will get what's coming to me". :wideeyed:

Guilt? :biglaugh:

 

[cycfan]

Hey, Coach Hoiberg here. Since you seem to be such an expert on coaching and play calling and can critique my performance, I thought I would take a moment and critique yours.




Originally Posted by RollsRoyce

Think that was terrible late game coaching down the stretch. Last three minutes of the game we did not execute one set play. Think Fred would have called a time out. We played hard, but those types of losses really make the fans mad. Scott the senior played like a freshman in the second half, and we went away from Royce and its not like there defense was that great. This is why Haith is the coach of the year in the Big 12, not Fred.


I think you meant "their". Poor execution of the English language. A more experienced poster would not have made that mistake.



Thats another thing about our fan-base. Anytime someone has some constructive criticism on this board everyone immediately says TROLL.

You missed an apostrophe. Again poor use of the English language.



You just say "Nope'. Prove me wrong. Teach me something ISUAgronomist. Everyone praises you on this site and i just don't see it. You are nothing special you are a hack.

Need a comma after the word special.

Was i freaking out? I said why we lost the game. I didn't say fire fred. He is a good coach just not good done the stretch. yet.

Maybe you meant "down".

Team has to be better prepared the last two minutes. I'm saying that if everybody says Fred is a future NBA coach, why did the last ten possessions of this game look like forth grade boys trying to run a play?


Really, is that you spell fourth?


Overall, poor performance on this thread. The Cyclones expect much better out of their "fans". Is your lack of knowledge due to poor teachers or are you just not able to execute the proper use of the language?


Sincerely,

Coach Hoiberg


GO CYCLONES!!!

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[IbSvU]

Hoiberg is a tremendous basketball coach. NBA teams will want him, he knows his ****.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I probably took the wrong approach in this thread. I wasn't meaning to bash on RollsRoyce and it kind of came off that way. My bad.

My main point is that the results of these games are based on the cumulative amount of plays from start to finish. Each possession on offense and defense is equally important when everything is said and done. A basket in the first 30 seconds of the game is worth just as money points as a basket in the final 30 seconds of the game. Last night was a great example.

ISU gave up a 7-0 run to start the game in the first 2:52. During that stretch ISU was 0-5 from the floor with 2 missed bunnies off of offensive rebounds and committed 2 turnovers.

Then with 3:53 left in the game ISU gave up a 7-0 run over the next 2:32 during which they went 0-3 from the floor and committed 2 turnovers.

So for nearly 35 minutes of play ISU had an 8 point advantage over Mizzou. It took a little over 5 minutes combined for Mizzou to outscore ISU 14-0 to erase 35 minutes of good basketball by the Clones. It is a real fine line when you are up against a top 10 team. That first 3 minutes was equally as devestating to ISU's chances of winning the game as that last 2.5 minute stretch was.

 

[iowast8cyclone]

Eh...he probably should have called a timeout before that breakaway dunk that put them up 7 cause we really needed a good shot. Scotty had a rough patch but he was driving trying to pick up a couple fouls, if he gets two fouls called we win the game cause he makes all the free throws. I thought Fred out coached Haith for most of the game actually.

Yeah, we went away from Royce too much, but Scotty has been hot too. Not worried about it.

Amen Brother! We did not win... The sun came up this morning and we get to play again on Saturday. Let's not act like the sky is falling if we lose a game, especially one that would have been tough to win under any circumstance.. Let's not act like we are teh greatest team ever assembled.. Enjoy the ride and continue to cheer for the Clones!