Bad parenting?

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I want to preface this by saying I was inspired to ask this question after watching Judge Judy, who seems to think that kids should not be left to their own devices outdoors and should be supervised at all times, even when out riding bikes in the neighborhood.

I was not raised that way. In fact, I often spent all day outdoors, playing with neighborhood kids. When we lived in upstate New York, there was a construction project going on in our suburban backyards where people were trenching for plumbing or electrical. We would spend all day in those trenches having dirt clod fights, no parents in sight. I lived there from age 8 to age 10

We also used to ride our bikes around all day in the neighborhood and beyond. I rode my bike to school and rode it at least a couple of miles to Little League practice, no parents around.

One of my fondest memories was the summer of my 9th year, when me and three or four other boys from my neighborhood planned a trip to some foothills of the Adirondack Mountains, which we could see beckoning to us from our front yards. We could also see a building on top of one of those mountains and rumor had it among us boys that it was a monastery, manned by some particularly militant monks, who would patrol the mountain in jeeps, looking for trespassers. We could also see from certain areas of our neighborhood some of the Green Mountains of Revolutionary War fame, but they were much farther away.

We (or at least I) planned this trip with the full approval of our parents. In fact, my mother packed a lunch for me of a ham sandwich, an apple and a thermos of Kool-Aid. We rode our bikes to this foothill. It was much farther than it looked. We dropped our bikes off on the side of the road and started up the mountain without them, because we anticipated having to dodge monks patrolling in their jeeps and it would be easier to hide without bikes. The road up to what we thought was a monastery was carved into the side of the mountain and spiraled around it, rising higher as it went. Whenever we heard an engine, whether imaginary or not, we would rush off the road, climbing uphill at the side of the road into the woods and hide until the threat passed or we felt brave enough to continue.

I don't think we ever did see a jeep full of monks, but we took to the woods several times as we made our way up. We could actually climb up to the next level of the road. We never did find a monastery either, but we did find an old shack that had what looked to us young boys like hand grenade pins that had been pulled out before the grenades were tossed out the windows. In our feverish imagination, we pictured a huge battle against fierce monks in a desperate struggle against formidable odds in that little shack. In retrospect, the items we found were not hand grenade pins, but some kind of metal clips that might have been used to attach something to a belt. There were dozens of them scattered on the floor of that shack, but I don't know what they were for sure.

We explored that wooded area for a good long time and sat down to enjoy our lunch alongside a trickling brook. We traversed a huge gash in the side of a mountain where it looked like a landslide had occurred, and slaked our thirst in a mountain spring. Like I said, we never found the monastery, and maybe we had the wrong mountain because there was definitely a building atop one of those hills that we could see from our houses.

Around supper time, we dragged our weary bodies home, tired but full of stories of our adventures. We were never scolded for being out all day. So do you think we had bad parents? Judge Judy sure seems to think so.
 
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I think everyone is too much into everyone else's business. I also think we listen to celebrities and/or people that deserve very little consideration. Who cares what Judy says?

As far as unsupervised children, even when we were young there was always the possibility something bad could happen. That's sort of what being mortal is though. Someone could have fell, been lost or abducted. Doesn't mean it's anymore common now than it ever was in human history.

People are soft in this country and we are so regulated and exposed socially now that things which deserve basically no discussion or attention are brought to us via media every waking moment of our days.

One thing that differs here compared to Europe is how much power we give children. Kids in Europe are secondary to adults. We want our kids to have a say or we cater to their complaints to sometimes exhausting measures. In Europe children are more conditioned to understand they aren't the most important thing in the world.

Some Transcendentalism would go a long ways for modern society IMO.
 

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I pretty much had the same experience growing up in small town Iowa,out riding bikes all summer exploring the neighborhood, hanging at the pool and friends houses with little supervision. But there’s a big difference between growing up in a small midwestern town and a big city with a lot more people and crime.
 

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I think the rural meth epidemic of the late 90’s really changed things in regards to the way kids “play”. Then there was a rural
Opioid crisis directly after. Now a rural fentanyl epidemic. Most of the good people have moved to the suburbs.

We had some friends that recently moved to London and they love it because it’s safe to let their 12 yo go pretty much anywhere they want even with a just a single buddy.
 
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I really think how we've created a boundaryless world with FB etc has affected how people and/or kids operate.
 
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I pretty much had the same experience growing up in small town Iowa,out riding bikes all summer exploring the neighborhood, hanging at the pool and friends houses with little supervision. But there’s a big difference between growing up in a small midwestern town and a big city with a lot more people and crime.
Our small Iowa town everybody knew everybody so if you were out doing hood rat s**t your parents knew about it before you got home. Kind of everyone looking out for each other sort of thing. Also kind of kept us on our toes. I'm sure it's completely different in larger cities
 
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I think the rural meth epidemic of the late 90’s really changed things in regards to the way kids “play”. Then there was a rural
Opioid crisis directly after. Now a rural fentanyl epidemic. Most of the good people have moved to the suburbs.

We had some friends that recently moved to London and they love it because it’s safe to let their 12 yo go pretty much anywhere they want even with a just a single buddy.



Yup. Every farm house you see folks is a meth lab on top of distributing opioids and fentanyl.

Nice try.

Some serious rural hate right here. What....last time you were there they forgot to put signs on animals that kick?
 

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A lot depends on the age of the child.

In Manitoba, a child under 12 can’t be left home alone or walk to or from school alone. That seems weird. I was asked back in the day to babysit an infant when I was a little under 10.

Meanwhile, our neighbors let their kids do stuff that is just weird. Two year old in the street on a scooter under the supervision of three year old in a motorized jeep who plowed into our yard and crashed into the lilacs. He didn’t know how to put it in reverse or turn very well. This same household of six kids was playing soccer in the street after 9:00 last night and kept having to retrieve the ball from another neighbor’s carefully tended tomato garden. The older kid got chewed out when tomato gardener got home, I think he saw a lot from his doorbell camera.The parents will leave their vicious dogs alone with a pile of food and water for days when they travel. They watch the kids about the same amount.

Kids on the other side are much more polite but dense. They are 7, 5, 3, and 1. They ride bikes in our driveway but asked the first time. The baby pulled her diaper off once and was offering it to our dog. The five year old wiped out on some gravel in the street and was crying and bleeding. I guess our dog was his supervision, he started barking and I went out and carried the kid home.

Only kids that ever seem supervised are 8 and 6. Their sister died of cancer and the mom makes them look three times before crossing the street.
 
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I played more and was gone more often than I think kids are now a days. Back in the day air conditioning wasn't as prevalent so we'd go to the pool, creek, bowling alley, rec center, library, etc.
I think kids now a days are more schedule based. Sports, activities, etc do have an impact on that.

I was always told "be home at dark" and was frequently reminded about Johnny Gosch.
 

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I played more and was gone more often than I think kids are now a days. Back in the day air conditioning wasn't as prevalent so we'd go to the pool, creek, bowling alley, rec center, library, etc.
I think kids now a days are more schedule based. Sports, activities, etc do have an impact on that.

I was always told "be home at dark" and was frequently reminded about Johnny Gosch.

The amount of scheduled activities kids do any more makes me appreciate even more having a farm with lots of land including a creek to play around on my own time.
 

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Interesting having this conversation this week. Oldest just turned six. We live in a semi rural subdivision of like...idk, 75 houses? Another much smaller, older neighborhood adjacent. That one is wooded on a circular road. Good friends live "in the forest" and the mom asked me if I let the oldest bike alone or with other kids. Her kids are the same age. A third friend has 9 and 6 and the 6 rides around with the 9 and couple other friends. I said no, too big a space and no sidewalks. She said ok good, me either, especially in their area, harder for cars to see pedestrians. But both our husband's say yes it's fine. I'd be ok if we had an older sibling/friend in charge like third friend. We don't have watches yet.

I grew up roaming in a rural area and then a farm. We did tons of **** we shouldn't have done. Yeah we all survived but there were plenty of moments. I feel down in a haymow pit, my brother was rammed by a cow, I nearly got tangled with a bull, and brother and cousin got into pellet guns one time. I'm ok watching mine a bit closer. Plus it depends on the kid. My oldest is.....he's nuts half the time. I don't even trust him for drop off parties yet.
 

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I played more and was gone more often than I think kids are now a days. Back in the day air conditioning wasn't as prevalent so we'd go to the pool, creek, bowling alley, rec center, library, etc.
I think kids now a days are more schedule based. Sports, activities, etc do have an impact on that.

I was always told "be home at dark" and was frequently reminded about Johnny Gosch.
100% this. Born in the early 70’s. In the 80’s during summer the neighborhood kids would leave home and have to check back in lunch, dinner, and when it got dark. Had street boundaries that eventually got expanded or broke. Besides a snack or to get patched up from a fall or some other minor thing our parents let us go explore.
 

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Interesting having this conversation this week. Oldest just turned six. We live in a semi rural subdivision of like...idk, 75 houses? Another much smaller, older neighborhood adjacent. That one is wooded on a circular road. Good friends live "in the forest" and the mom asked me if I let the oldest bike alone or with other kids. Her kids are the same age. A third friend has 9 and 6 and the 6 rides around with the 9 and couple other friends. I said no, too big a space and no sidewalks. She said ok good, me either, especially in their area, harder for cars to see pedestrians. But both our husband's say yes it's fine. I'd be ok if we had an older sibling/friend in charge like third friend. We don't have watches yet.

I grew up roaming in a rural area and then a farm. We did tons of **** we shouldn't have done. Yeah we all survived but there were plenty of moments. I feel down in a haymow pit, my brother was rammed by a cow, I nearly got tangled with a bull, and brother and cousin got into pellet guns one time. I'm ok watching mine a bit closer. Plus it depends on the kid. My oldest is.....he's nuts half the time. I don't even trust him for drop off parties yet.
So much depends on the kid. Like the neighbors say their kid who looks to be about 6 has ADHD but they let her play on the railroad tracks? Like any kid should be on the tracks but one with ADHD? Someone with the railroad actually apprehended her and was looking for the parents. I just told them to go two doors down and look for the oldest kid, parents’ vehicles were not there.

I don’t know if your son has anything like ADHD but you know his behavior better than anyone. On the other hand, it always seemed like the kids acted up more at home cause they have a trust level there.
 
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Depends on way to many factors (disclaimer: no kids, bunch of nieces and nephews though). Where you live, how good the kids are, how good their friends are, and quite frankly how good of a job the parent did raising said kid makes a huge impact.

There are differences between a small farm town in Iowa, a small depressed town upriver in western Washington, me growing up in the suburbs of Omaha, my sisters semi rural neighborhood in Minnesota, and kids who grew up in New York City.

My parents had time (home by dark) and distance limits for us as kids and if we weren't playing in the immediate area it was typically as simple as telling my mom "I'm going to Kyle's or we're going to the park at the lake." This is the same approach my older sister takes with her kids in Omaha as well.

My other sister in Minneapolis has to be a lot more careful with her kids mainly because my youngest nephew is special needs and has a tendency to wander off / escape because he wants to be with the big kids or do something specific. They also have a nature reserve behind their house with a big pond and marshes. Was worrisome their for quite a while.

I've also run across 8-10 yr old kids riding skateboards and bicycles down the middle of a major state highway in western Washington. Throw in the meth heads, and some local wildlife and those kids could have stood for a little bit supervision (or better parenting).

To flip it completely around though, I had some coworkers who grew up in NYC who would tell you stories about riding the subways on their own at like 8-10 yrs old that made me wonder how they were still alive.