Baylor Loss Thread
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This is what I've been thinking. This team can play just as badly against UNC Wilmington, as they can great against Oklahoma.
Things I've learned from this thread:
Monte Morris is a poor decision maker.
Matt Thomas is a poor shooter.
Jameel Mcay has a poor attitude.
We give little to no effort on defense.
Steve Prohm is a poor coach.
Fred Hoiberg put us in a poor situation.
However...
Monte Morris has made pretty good decisions throughout his career. And oftentimes, the bad decisions worked out. He shot a fadeaway against Texas in the tourney last year, and nobody complained because he made it. He misses a couple and now people complain.
Matt Thomas goes 1-6 from 3 in one game. But he's Top 5 in the Big XII in 3s made and 3-pt%.
Jameel McKay has come back to play. If he had such a poor attitude about this, why would he even be playing? It's not clear either way what his buyin level is, but holy crap, he's a college student.
Defense - we aren't great at it. But maybe that's all there is to it. There are plenty of teams not good a offense or defense who try hard. Effort is a good percentage of it, but sometimes being shorter and less athletic than the other team has its consequences.
Prohm couldn't call a timeout on the last play last night. He's been able to take over a difficult job and still manage to win plenty of games (we're 18-8!) and keep us in every game we've played. We haven't been blown out. At all.
Fred put us in a fine situation to succeed. Just because we aren't meeting top-5-in-the-country-expectations doesn't mean this season has not been successful.
Enjoy it - it's a lot better than watching whatever it was I watched in the McDermott years.
Monte Morris is a poor decision maker.
Matt Thomas is a poor shooter.
Jameel Mcay has a poor attitude.
We give little to no effort on defense.
Steve Prohm is a poor coach.
Fred Hoiberg put us in a poor situation.
However...
Monte Morris has made pretty good decisions throughout his career. And oftentimes, the bad decisions worked out. He shot a fadeaway against Texas in the tourney last year, and nobody complained because he made it. He misses a couple and now people complain.
Matt Thomas goes 1-6 from 3 in one game. But he's Top 5 in the Big XII in 3s made and 3-pt%.
Jameel McKay has come back to play. If he had such a poor attitude about this, why would he even be playing? It's not clear either way what his buyin level is, but holy crap, he's a college student.
Defense - we aren't great at it. But maybe that's all there is to it. There are plenty of teams not good a offense or defense who try hard. Effort is a good percentage of it, but sometimes being shorter and less athletic than the other team has its consequences.
Prohm couldn't call a timeout on the last play last night. He's been able to take over a difficult job and still manage to win plenty of games (we're 18-8!) and keep us in every game we've played. We haven't been blown out. At all.
Fred put us in a fine situation to succeed. Just because we aren't meeting top-5-in-the-country-expectations doesn't mean this season has not been successful.
Enjoy it - it's a lot better than watching whatever it was I watched in the McDermott years.
Depends on the definition of a run. A Sweet 16/Elite 8 team usually has some sort of production from the bench, plays at least decent defense, mentally strong, and can hold onto a double digit lead. I really can't describe this team as any of those things other than playing decent defense from time to time. There are other factors that can lead to deep runs like getting good match ups or upsets taking out better teams but banking on that isn't the best plan either.
Mentally strong??
That team may have been similar during the season, but there's no doubt they turned it up a notch in that postseason.
Having said that, I also believe there's a chance this team could do the same thing.
Does a mentally strong team get blown out a bad WVU team in February? Is this team mentally strong last night if Monte makes that shot and we get a win on the road vs a top 25 team?
That team played good at the end of the season but that team wasn't deep at all (really only playing 6 guys down the stretch) and was not a good defensive team
I am not sure what to think about this team anymore. At some point, you would think that a team made up of experienced juniors and seniors would learn how to close out games, but this team doesn't seem to be capable of that.
How the hell does your All-American not take a shot the last six minutes of a close game? I don't care what the other team was doing defensively....that just can't happen. Plus, it appears that some of Monte's last second heroics from last year have gone to his head or something. That or he is trying to impress some NBA pundits and scouts, and failing miserably at it.
This team is not a team any more. That is pretty obvious. I don't know if they have tuned out Prohm, and each other, or if he is just incapable of taking over a bunch who act like a group of prima donnas. Whatever the problem is, this group, including the coaching staff does not seem capable, or maybe willing to work it out.
It is obvious now that losing Naz, and what he added, on the floor was devastating. This team is a very pedestrian, mediocre 10-8 since he ended his season. Yes, those losses have been almost exclusively to top 35-40 RPI teams, but so what? They also include a loss to UNI on a neutral court. Plus, this was a top 5 rated team to start the season, and is in the top 40 in RPI itself.
Another obvious problem, as most everyone points out, is depth. Yes, this team lacks strong bench play, but after 7 or 8 last possession losses, it should be obvious that maybe, just maybe, the starters do not have the stamina left at the end of games to close them out, and maybe just maybe the rotation needs to be adjusted so that those starters have something left at the end of the game. It really doesn't matter if those bench players contribute much on the floor. Their purpose should be to do what they can out there, don't do anything stupid, and give the starters 5 - 10 minutes of rest. If this current pattern continues, no way will this team do well in March after the first round.
This team will be lucky to finish 10-8 in conference. Maybe by some miracle they will get their act together and win at KU or WVU, but I just don't see it happening.
I think this is going to go down as perhaps the most disappointing MBB season in ISU history (relative to expectations), if it isn't already there.
How the hell does your All-American not take a shot the last six minutes of a close game? I don't care what the other team was doing defensively....that just can't happen. Plus, it appears that some of Monte's last second heroics from last year have gone to his head or something. That or he is trying to impress some NBA pundits and scouts, and failing miserably at it.
This team is not a team any more. That is pretty obvious. I don't know if they have tuned out Prohm, and each other, or if he is just incapable of taking over a bunch who act like a group of prima donnas. Whatever the problem is, this group, including the coaching staff does not seem capable, or maybe willing to work it out.
It is obvious now that losing Naz, and what he added, on the floor was devastating. This team is a very pedestrian, mediocre 10-8 since he ended his season. Yes, those losses have been almost exclusively to top 35-40 RPI teams, but so what? They also include a loss to UNI on a neutral court. Plus, this was a top 5 rated team to start the season, and is in the top 40 in RPI itself.
Another obvious problem, as most everyone points out, is depth. Yes, this team lacks strong bench play, but after 7 or 8 last possession losses, it should be obvious that maybe, just maybe, the starters do not have the stamina left at the end of games to close them out, and maybe just maybe the rotation needs to be adjusted so that those starters have something left at the end of the game. It really doesn't matter if those bench players contribute much on the floor. Their purpose should be to do what they can out there, don't do anything stupid, and give the starters 5 - 10 minutes of rest. If this current pattern continues, no way will this team do well in March after the first round.
This team will be lucky to finish 10-8 in conference. Maybe by some miracle they will get their act together and win at KU or WVU, but I just don't see it happening.
I think this is going to go down as perhaps the most disappointing MBB season in ISU history (relative to expectations), if it isn't already there.
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They also ****** away a late lead at KSU and were run out of the gym in Waco the last week of the season. If Naz doesn't hit the 3 vs OSU that team rides a 3 game losing streak into the Big XII's.
But Naz hit the shot, that team found its mojo vs K State in the Big XII tournament and went to the Sweet 16.
At some point this team needs to find its mojo but last night's result hardly is a predictor of what might happen in March. See last year for further proof...
Its funny how everyone compares us to the 2014 Kane/Ejim team. It looks like we will finish 10-8. That year we finished 11-7 and very easily could have finished 10-8 if not for a Naz 3 against Oklahoma State in the final game. We got hot in the Big 12 tourney then beat an underwhelming North Carolina team.
Im not taking anything away from that team but we are not that far off from where we were at that point 2 years ago. Anything can happen once we get in the tourney.
Im not taking anything away from that team but we are not that far off from where we were at that point 2 years ago. Anything can happen once we get in the tourney.
Thank you.
A 90% FT shooter misses a FT to seal the game otherwise Kane and Ejim (the two toughest Cyclones to ever live) lose at home to a bubble team on Senior Night.
We made zero passes and didn't even bring the ball past the 3 pt line before shooting a contested, low % shot. If Baylor had made a play I'd give it to you.
If you're Baylor you can't be upset with your last shot. They got the ball inside and got a good shot that had been working all game, it just got blocked. You know, they ran their offense.
I posted this before the Baylor game in another thread:
Saw this from Seth Davis:
"Why don't teams run any offense on game-deciding final possessions? They practice and play a certain way 99% of the time, but when they really need a bucket to win a game it's pound pound pound pound pound ... and chuck up a bad shot. I don't get it."
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CycloneErik
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The tension is half the fun. We're a good team playing games that matter in a good league.
Don't know, don't care. But you're right. That was such a good shot we should probably just do that every time down the floor. You know, cause of defense.
