Big 12 Expansion (new thread)

[CYEATHAWK]

I actually love that. Look at the areas of recruiting opened up. It adds Ohio and Florida. Yes, yes and yes please.

Your graph has Baylor going west? If so, my thinking is that they would send us west and Baylor going east with Houston.

 

[Itjustdoesn'tmatter]

Not sure if anyone has talked about it but who would you guys want to see to expand further?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...discussed-as-future-conference-additions/amp/

I've very torn about this.

I like Memphis but we can't add just one team AND I think the PAC 12 is in just as much trouble as we were, but we've eaten up most of the good teams so if USC & Oregon go to the B1G that leaves their "Angry 10" hanging. (And if they get a bad TV deal, all bets are off)

Looking at the map posted earlier it would be nice to have four pods:
ISU, KSU, KU, OSU
UCF, WVU, UC, (MEM)
TT, TCU, BU, UH
BYU, (UCLA or ?), (AU or ASU), (Washington or ?)

That would add Tennessee, California, Washington and Arizona to the conference.
So jumping now and settling for BSU or waiting for a better deal is a tough call.

 

[jackrabbit]

How about in 3-4 years taking Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona St from the PAC12. That leaves the PAC12 with their original 8: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington and Washington St

 

[BearcatsUc]

Been to a game there. Not great tailgating but love the stadium.

UC is urban, concentrated, and limited on space. Nippert is about as “on-campus” as an on-campus stadium can get. It sits smack dab in the middle of and directly next to academic buildings. Other than temporary fences erected on game day, there’s no barrier to entry.

The student union sits no more than 50 feet from the west side of Nippert. In fact tickets are taken at the basement door, just outside the pub.

Nippert’s upper deck on the south side is literally bisected by an historic building, the Dieterle Vocal Arts Center. It was funded by a nippert relative so chances of that being torn down for more seating is nil.

The north side has little seating and is an entrance to campus dining and the rec center.

The east side has the lindner center hovering over it. The university hired star architects for many of its buildings, and this particular one insisted on that site.

Point is, while seats can be added, Nippert is very much landlocked. And a lot of people don’t want to mess with a stadium they love.

 

[Die4Cy]

UC is urban, concentrated, and limited on space. Nippert is about as “on-campus” as an on-campus stadium can get. It sits smack dab in the middle of and directly next to academic buildings. Other than temporary fences erected on game day, there’s no barrier to entry.

The student union sits no more than 50 feet from the west side of Nippert. In fact tickets are taken at the basement door, just outside the pub.

Nippert’s upper deck on the south side is literally bisected by an historic building, the Dieterle Vocal Arts Center. It was funded by a nippert relative so chances of that being torn down for more seating is nil.

The north side has little seating and is an entrance to campus dining and the rec center.

The east side has the lindner center hovering over it. The university hired star architects for many of its buildings, and this particular one insisted on that site.

Point is, while seats can be added, Nippert is very much landlocked. And a lot of people don’t want to mess with a stadium they love.

I like Nippert as it is. Maybe arrangements can be made for one or two big games a year to be held at Paul Brown Stadium, but even if it could be expanded, it doesn't sound like it would be economical or practical given the need to cram a whole bunch more people into a tight space. The good news is, having a smaller stadium does not impact revenue as much as one might think, provided you are good at football. The value of a ticket will go up.

 

[CYCLNST8]

It'd be nice to keep the remaining Big 8 schools together:

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Cincinnati
West Virginia

BYU
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
UCF

The Land Grants vs the Bible Belt

 

[Althetuna]

Your graph has Baylor going west? If so, my thinking is that they would send us west and Baylor going east with Houston.

I hope not. I really want to be in the same division as Cinci as it would help CMC pull more kids from Ohio. Florida would be nice but not a must.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I hope not. I really want to be in the same division as Cinci as it would help CMC pull more kids from Ohio. Florida would be nice but not a must.

I was basing my opinion on who we are closest with. In the east it is Cinci. KU and KSU I think are both closer. And it wouldn't make much sense having just one Texas school go east. Just MHO.

 

[BearcatsUc]

I like Nippert as it is. Maybe arrangements can be made for one or two big games a year to be held at Paul Brown Stadium, but even if it could be expanded, it doesn't sound like it would be economical or practical given the need to cram a whole bunch more people into a tight space. The good news is, having a smaller stadium does not impact revenue as much as one might think, provided you are good at football. The value of a ticket will go up.

They had a chance to add a bunch of extra seats. Instead they opted for suites and about 1100 club seats

 

[Althetuna]

I was basing my opinion on who we are closest with. In the east it is Cinci. KU and KSU I think are both closer. And it wouldn't make much sense having just one Texas school go east. Just MHO.

I misread your initial response. I think Surly's pic had:
East:
Baylor
Houston
ISU
WVA
CInci
UCF

West:
BYU
KU
KSU
OSU
TCU
TT

No doubt travel would stink for ISU but recruiting grounds sure would be fertile.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Nippert is awesome, am really looking forward to catching an ISU game there soon

You could do a lot worse than adding Cincinnati, Orlando, Houston, and Salt Lake City to a conference. (I don’t think I’d spend a lot of time in Provo proper.)

 

[Itjustdoesn'tmatter]

How about in 3-4 years taking Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona St from the PAC12. That leaves the PAC12 with their original 8: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington and Washington St

I would have no objection that that, but I see no reason that CU, UU, AU and ASU would leave the PAC12 unless they got a TERRIBLE deal. Plus having two teams in Arizona and Utah doesn't broaden our footprint.

 

[CNECloneFan]

I've very torn about this.

I like Memphis but we can't add just one team AND I think the PAC 12 is in just as much trouble as we were, but we've eaten up most of the good teams so if USC & Oregon go to the B1G that leaves their "Angry 10" hanging. (And if they get a bad TV deal, all bets are off)

Looking at the map posted earlier it would be nice to have four pods:
ISU, KSU, KU, OSU
UCF, WVU, UC, (MEM)
TT, TCU, BU, UH
BYU, (UCLA or ?), (AU or ASU), (Washington or ?)

That would add Tennessee, California, Washington and Arizona to the conference.
So jumping now and settling for BSU or waiting for a better deal is a tough call.

I kind of like that.

 

[cyman05]

For those talking about divisions, not sure it matters. At 12, probably more likely there are no divisions. If nobody else from the P5 will play us and the SEC goes to 10 conf games, then the B12 will have to go to 10 as well. So you’re playing 10 of the 11 every year. Championship game just pits number 1 vs 2 against each other.

 

[mattyheiden]

Pretty solid football and basketball conference

 

[CyCrazy]

I've very torn about this.

I like Memphis but we can't add just one team AND I think the PAC 12 is in just as much trouble as we were, but we've eaten up most of the good teams so if USC & Oregon go to the B1G that leaves their "Angry 10" hanging. (And if they get a bad TV deal, all bets are off)

Looking at the map posted earlier it would be nice to have four pods:
ISU, KSU, KU, OSU
UCF, WVU, UC, (MEM)
TT, TCU, BU, UH
BYU, (UCLA or ?), (AU or ASU), (Washington or ?)

That would add Tennessee, California, Washington and Arizona to the conference.
So jumping now and settling for BSU or waiting for a better deal is a tough call.

I mean this will never happen, but I do like it.

 

[jackrabbit]

I would have no objection that that, but I see no reason that CU, UU, AU and ASU would leave the PAC12 unless they got a TERRIBLE deal. Plus having two teams in Arizona and Utah doesn't broaden our footprint.

The Pac 12 media deals ends at the end of the 2023 season. If the PAC12 doesn't get any teams into the playoffs this year or next; they only have one or two teams in the final top 25 each year and attendance continues to slide at all of their schools; then they might get a lowball offer.

If I was the Big XII I think I would wait before extending two or four more offers to see what happens with the PAC12. The Big XII is now stable. The Big XII can wait a couple years before offering Memphis and Boise.

 

[scyclonekid]

The Pac 12 media deals ends at the end of the 2023 season. If the PAC12 doesn't get any teams into the playoffs this year or next; they only have one or two teams in the final top 25 each year and attendance continues to slide at all of their schools; then they might get a lowball offer.

If I was the Big XII I think I would wait before extending two or four more offers to see what happens with the PAC12. The Big XII is now stable. The Big XII can wait a couple years before offering Memphis and Boise.

Could you imagine if the Pac gets a worse deal than us and we pluck teams from them. Say Colorado comes back, then the Arizona schools and maybe someone else.

 

[surly]

I'm sure I reflect the feelings of most now, just dang relieved that the B12 has expanded with the Angry 8 being at the core, remaining together. Going to the P12 with oSu made no sense to me as a K-State fan. Losing Farmeggedon to say nothing for the Ku rivalry would have been horrible. Now, we can look forward to stability, solid football, awesome basketball, and perhaps finding financials that are respectable.

 

[CycloneErik]

I'm sure I reflect the feelings of most now, just dang relieved that the B12 has expanded with the Angry 8 being at the core, remaining together. Going to the P12 with oSu made no sense to me as a K-State fan. Losing Farmeggedon to say nothing for the Ku rivalry would have been horrible. Now, we can look forward to stability, solid football, awesome basketball, and perhaps finding financials that are respectable.

Agreed. It's not my favorite option, but it's not the worst case option. Let's go see how it goes.