Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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- He was positive about realignment. He believes we will still be third in dollars when the new tv deals get done behind the BIG and SEC.
-Thought it was ballsy and awesome how Bowlsby handled it so far
- Thinks KU “shot their wad” and don’t have anything left to be competitive again like that.
- “Cyclones are a damn good team” and that we don’t care about the CFP. We want that conference title so so bad.
Overall it was good. Mostly about realignment. The guy actually knows what he’s talking about and knows the teams and was not just talking.
ISU - Okie St. last year beat out ND-Pitt head to head (2.8 m to 2.4m). ISU and Okie State bring good viewership that beats everyone in the PAC except Oregon and USC given a similar platform. ISU-KSU last year had 2M. ISU-Louisiana had 1.7M. If you put ISU on a network they will draw good viewership.
ACC is strange with ratings. Even when Clemson was rolling their viewership was a little inconsistent, and definitely underperformed in a lot of games given how good they were. I haven't noticed what they are drawing now, but I bet if they get a conference network game moving forward I bet it's not that good.
It's been shown time and time again looking at apples to apples comparisons that the likes of Okie St. and ISU would be top 3-4 in the PAC.
Do you not realize how negative this comment comes off with respect to the OSU-ISU game ratings? This is not just one time that ISU had good ratings so you could say it's just a fluke. I mean you could've been complimentary to ISU, but you chose to make it sound like the ratings were good just because it was a "good upset game".
What's the reason that USC@ND didn't have higher ratings? What's their excuse?
This is like saying to your wife, Babe you look really good tonight, BUT, if you lost a few pounds, you'd look just like you used too when we were dating.
Or
Michigan State is a really good school and class act, well except for the multiple years of coverup of Larry Nassar.
Either of those seem complimentary to you?
With on-going realignment stuff happening in the G5, I wanted to visualize the conferences on a map. I put together this Google map with conferences based on the projections for 2023. I am assuming OU and UT in the SEC, and all the shuffling in the Big 12, AAC, and Sun Belt are settled. I even included JMU moving up. If there is more movement with the C-USA, I will update that too.
You can use the legend to toggle each conference on/off.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/v...&ll=39.15613473696891,-103.21031137499999&z=4
You can use the legend to toggle each conference on/off.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/v...&ll=39.15613473696891,-103.21031137499999&z=4
Yeah that’s totally my bad. Really didn’t mean for it to come off that way. The fact that the big 12 had those high ranked teams and competitive games is a huge boon. The ACC is nothing without Clemson and no one watches the pac 12 especially when their team is bad like USC.
The big 12 should be the third best conference in terms of media dollars and quality teams after the latest realignment.
Completely agree. This is the trigger point that might break the Pac 12...if their numbers come in similar to current (or even lower), the top teams are going to be pushed to find greener pastures. As you can see from the USC-ND numbers...most are the ND fans...USC's core following right now is garbage. Why, in today's $ constrained market, is FOX or ESPN going to offer the Pac 12 more money given their mediocre numbers? A team like ISU only improves is revenue by joining the BIG. Otherwise, life stays about the same.
Tim Brando, FOX Sports on the 2021 Big 12 Season and the Conference's Future
00:20:50 - This week, Pete Mundo is joined by FOX Sports play-by-play broadcaster Tim Brando to discuss the 2021 Big 12 season, who can compete for the Champio…
I don't hate this idea but I'm less convinced it is a good fit for the Big 12. The Texas schools and OSU all want to play all 4 of the rest of them annually. A division set up seems to make more sense there. The Pac-12 is also unique in that it's a pretty well-defined collection of three groups of 4 schools: California, the PNW, and the rest in AZ/UT/CO. They can easily protect those pods and then rotate through the rest.
I know we don't want to be whores but I think this decision will be influenced heavily by our new TV deals.
Yeah that would be neat, but how do you pick the best two teams from 2 groups? AP? FPI? Record and a bunch of tiebreaks? What if the best 2 teams are in the same group (eg UCLA/USC or UW/UO)? I like it but it gets messy.
I do think that a Big12 with 2 divisions would give the Clones a better chance to make it to the CCG.
I wonder what it will look like in 2022?
>Will OuT be gone?
>Which (if any) of the new 4 will arrive early?
>What will be the divisions / scheduling pending all the above?
The Big12 could have anywhere from 8 to 14 teams next year.
This new league will do whatever whoever has the media rights tell it to, and nothing less.
I figured the PAC would eventually come around after this season played out and unless something unexpected happen they are yet again an afterthought on the field and on TV. I thought maybe the Oregon win at OSU would be something different, along with UCLA beating LSU (Though LSU was my second most overrated team coming into the season). But it quickly turned back into the norm - mediocre PAC football that nobody watches and nobody cares about.
I was hoping before that the PAC would give ISU and Okie St. an invite, but now I'm wondering if you'd leave a league where 5 of the 12 teams in the new Big 12 are ranked to go to a league with 1 out of 14 ranked, and one that is getting poor TV ratings.
Worth the 20 minutes. Brando really believes everything will be fine.
Good take on all of this bull. The SEC was a dirty player here. Brando is very bullish on the additions and believes Cincinnati in the playoff is better for the Big 12 than Oklahoma going.
Oh....and **** Texas (KnappShack commentary only)
The Big 12 already does this and has been doing this for some time. CCG was added for TV money. Big Noon Kickoff, sure why not. Six-day holds, fine with us. Sticking at 10 members - you got it.
I don't think any of the AAC schools join until 2023 at the earliest. They need to negotiate their exit, and that will take time. BYU can join at any time, but I would imagine they don't until either OU and UT leave, or the AAC schools join. So whichever happens first. I would guess either everything moves for the 2023 season, or we get 1 season with 14 teams.
Saying that we don’t want to ***** ourselves to the networks was the point. All conferences do that, this conference will be no different
