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This is correct. There was never any blocking of Iowa State by Iowa. One, Iowa doesn't have the clout to do it. Two, the conference never considered adding Iowa State. Note, if Iowa wasn't in the B1G the league would not be looking to add Iowa. A state with < 3 million people is just not going to move the meter in terms of conference expansion. Nebraska was an exception to that as the Huskers' tradition gave it some cache.
Trice would rank 9th in the B1G
Northwestern has the smallest TV footprint in the conference, it doesn't matter if they are in Chicago. I'd wager Iowa and Illinois have larger TV audiences in Chicago than Northwestern, both behind Notre Dame.
Everybody that has mentioned lack of new viewers is correct about why ISU will never join the B1G. They don't bring enough new eyeballs to the conference. Why else would we add that dumpster fire of an athletic program at Rutgers? Geography and natural rivals mean far less than additional TV viewers.
Northwestern has the smallest TV footprint in the conference, it doesn't matter if they are in Chicago. I'd wager Iowa and Illinois have larger TV audiences in Chicago than Northwestern, both behind Notre Dame.
Everybody that has mentioned lack of new viewers is correct about why ISU will never join the B1G. They don't bring enough new eyeballs to the conference. Why else would we add that dumpster fire of an athletic program at Rutgers? Geography and natural rivals mean far less than additional TV viewers.
The big 10 went 500 last year and that was their best bowl season in over a decade. 3 of their wins were by a hair or a little luck for sure. a Boston College kicker slips and misses on extra point in over time against Penn State, Baylor blocks a fat guy in the back and that guy has no chance to catch a baylor player running for a TD so it gets called back. A Baylor receiver is running for a td inside the 5 yard line and instead of going down he reaches out and stiff arms the defender but instead grabs the face mask and that play got called back because a penalty. That game should have been over but Baylor lost because of it's own stupidity. I will give Wisconsin props, they earned their close victory in overtime.
No, the B1G is not all that good. Ohio State is basically sleepwalking. This is the same team that tore through Alabama and Oregon last year for the national title. At some point, they will wake up and play. You downplay Northwestern. But they have wins over Stanford (No. 7 in the Sagarin ratings) and a road win over Duke (No. 28 in Sagarin). Yes, they got their *** handed to them by Michigan. But Michigan is on fire right now. Michigan State may very well be overrated. We get to find out next week when they play Michigan. They do have a win over Oregon, which looks less impressive every week.
But what teams that are ranked in the Top 10 from the B1G shouldn't be? Michigan State? Perhaps. But the way the ratings works is if you start out ranked high you don't move down too much unless you lose. MSU has not looked impressive, but they haven't lost. If anything, Michigan should be ranked in the Top 10 for what they are doing to teams.
Wisconsin was never a Top 10 team this year, no one ever claimed they were or are. They do have a very good defense and a mediocre offense. They will likely get back in the Top 25 before the season is out.
If Iowa State had Iowa's schedule, the Cyclones would win more games. Not much doubt of that. But to act like this Iowa State team would all of a sudden win 8 games is a bit much. North Texas was flat-out terrible. Maryland and Purdue are not good, Iowa State would be favored against both at home (where Iowa plays them). Iowa State is ranked 70 in the Sagarin, right with Indiana (73). Behind Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin.
Iowa State always plays a national top 20 strength schedule, actually a lot of years it is top 10. In order to win against that type of schedule, then ISU needs to be a top 20 team. Iowa's strength of schedule barely breaks the top 40 in any year. It allows their program to accumulate wins, gain momentum, and helps recruiting. If ISU played a schedule that ranked 40 or lower, there is not doubt the program can gain a little momentum and have better success. In college football schedule absolutely matters. Plus, playing in the Big 10 would allow ISU to dodge some of the tougher teams some years. There is good teams in the Big 10, but it is a 14 team league with only 8 conference games. So while there is good teams at the top, there is also more mediocre to bad teams. Very hard to compare the Big 12 to the Big 10, the variables in the scheduling are not the same. Iowa would struggle in the Big 12, and I'm not talking about bowl games where you get a month to prepare, I'm talking about trying to prepare and win against high octane offensive schemes about every week. Iowa doesn't have the speed or athletes to hang with those type of teams. Tech wasn't even at full strength, and their athletes were still way better than Iowa.
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Nebraska was winning 9+ per year in the Big 12 and hasn't done any better in the Big 10. I doubt our luck would be much better. I could see KState doing better in the Big10.
Playing Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, northwestern, Illinois, rutgers, maryland is much much much easier than any 7 teams in the Big XII.
Playing Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska and Wisconsin is absolutely no harder than playing TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and k-state/WVU.
ISU would fare better against BigTen competition. Anyone arguing that can gladly swap conferences for a decade and we will see the proof.
According to Phil Steel ISU consistently plays a top 10 schedule. Not so much in the B1G. In the last 10 years Wisconsin has played the easiest power 5 schedule in the country. There was a 2 year span in which Iowa State played 13 of 24 regular season games against top 25 teams. Its not a difficult concept. Lesser opponents help you out. Look at Bielema at Wisconsin (playing shot competition) vs at Arkansas (playing elite comp).
2 old Big XII teams join the SEC and their coaches almost immediately start complaining about the difficulty of playing a no-huddle, speed offense. We play against it almost every conference game.
B1G is misleading...it doesn't have 10 teams and it certainly ain't big.
Playing Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska and Wisconsin is absolutely no harder than playing TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and k-state/WVU.
ISU would fare better against BigTen competition. Anyone arguing that can gladly swap conferences for a decade and we will see the proof.
According to Phil Steel ISU consistently plays a top 10 schedule. Not so much in the B1G. In the last 10 years Wisconsin has played the easiest power 5 schedule in the country. There was a 2 year span in which Iowa State played 13 of 24 regular season games against top 25 teams. Its not a difficult concept. Lesser opponents help you out. Look at Bielema at Wisconsin (playing shot competition) vs at Arkansas (playing elite comp).
2 old Big XII teams join the SEC and their coaches almost immediately start complaining about the difficulty of playing a no-huddle, speed offense. We play against it almost every conference game.
B1G is misleading...it doesn't have 10 teams and it certainly ain't big.
You're joking, right? Total Yards: Iowa 475, ISU 310. Rushing yards: Iowa 260, ISU 63. Interceptions: Iowa 1, ISU 0. Punt return yards: Iowa 34, ISU 0.
Daniels, the starting running back, had 56 rushing yards in the first quarter before injury; who knows how much more Iowa would have had. Ott was injured early and didn't play after about the 8 minute mark in the second quarter; after he went out, Richardson had more time to pass. The only phase of the game ISU won was passing yards and most of that was after Ott went out.
The score was close most of the game, but don't think ISU wasn't dominated the whole game.
yes we get blown out against decent teams we would not get anymore wins in the big 10.Iowa kicked ISU *** in the 2nd half we were out coached by them significantly
ISU struggled for a half against KU, a school with barely enough players to field a team.
Minnesota lost to TCU by 6 at home, i bet ISU gets a lot more than 6 on a Vegas line.
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Ooooohhhh-burn..... There is truth to my statement. You don't want to admit it, but it's a fact,Jack.
Not on OL, DL or LB or even DB.
Running a wide open offense does not equal athleticism. There's a reason why teams like TT have less players in the NFL than Toledo
Big 10 may or may not be "boring" but you can't argue with last year's conference results.
Football 2014: Big 10 goes 6-5 in bowl games, and conference champ wins the national championship. Big 12 goes 2-5 in bowl games, and conference champ wins the Peach Bowl. Only one head-to-head matchup (Mich St vs Baylor) and the Big 10 wins that.
Basketball 2015: Big 10 places 7 teams in the NCAA tournament; 4 make the field of 32, 2 make the field of 16, 2 make the field of 8, 2 make the Final Four and 1 made the championship game. Big 12 places 6 teams in the NCAA tournament; 3 make the field of 32, 2 make the field of 16, none advance past that. Only one head-to-head matchup (Mich St vs OK) and the Big 10 wins that.
The Big12 was an exceptional league (maybe the best in the country) when Texas, Nebraska, A&M and Oklahoma were all winning 9+ games a year. Colorado and KSU were awfully good at times too.
