Yes, as the Dayton Flyer will tell you- don't judge us by our seson or the cnference we come from, we just got hot at the right time.
Big XII vs. Big 10
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Yes, as the Dayton Flyer will tell you- don't judge us by our seson or the cnference we come from, we just got hot at the right time.
Big XII has some schools that seem to consistently under perform. OU much like Indiana seem to get shocked in the round of 64 when they get a descent seed. K-St I don't remember them winning a game in the dance than the days of Mitch Richmond and when Huggie opened the checkbook. KU has had some flops as well.
If Big 12 had at least equaled Big Ten in tournament performance this season, factoring in relative conference ranks and league depth in regular season ---> Big 12 slightly better in 2013-14.
But B10 can still get as many as 3 teams in Final Four. I expect two to make it. Big 12 is gone.
As for injuries: True, KU with Embiid may have snagged a 1 seed instead of t2, and probably is Still playing. ISU w/ Georges likely still in it. U-M & MSU had injury situations, too, although they had benefit of happening much earlier in the season and isn't an effect anymore.
But B10 can still get as many as 3 teams in Final Four. I expect two to make it. Big 12 is gone.
As for injuries: True, KU with Embiid may have snagged a 1 seed instead of t2, and probably is Still playing. ISU w/ Georges likely still in it. U-M & MSU had injury situations, too, although they had benefit of happening much earlier in the season and isn't an effect anymore.
LOL...but if I don't include the Hawks, the Big 10 got 5 teams in with an average seed of 5. Since the Hawks helped make the Big 12 better, I included them. :wink:
Once again. The injuries that you mention for MSU and UM both mean that they are far better teams than they were for most of the Big 10 schedule. (ie the big 10 gets credit for playing and sometimes beating an inferior product when compared to the full strength UM and MSU teams that played the non conference/NCAA tourney. Thus inflating the Big 10 SOS RPI and just about all the other rankings.
While exactly the opposite happened for the BIG XII. The most short handed the Big XII teams have been has been in the NCAA tournament. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Whatever. The conferences were neck and neck all year. The B10 is having a better tourney, their big 3 are playing great ball. Maybe they will finally win it for the first time since the price of gas was $1.50/gallon.
It's funny how all I've read on this board for the past 5 months is that the Big 10 sucks, and now everyone falls over themselves to minimize their NCAA performance...
Really, you mean Mitch McGary has been playing in the tournament AND I'VE BEEN MISSING IT?!
You can make this case with MSU, but they were pretty damn tough even at half strength. But the Michigan team you're seeing now is the same one Big Ten teams saw all year. They lost McGary and had to adjust, and they're still playing without him. So there's no bait and switch on Michigan's part here. And the games played in the OOC had no real impact for UM; they didn't beat any of the top OOC teams they played with McGary (ISU, Arizona, Duke), so it's not like they padded their metrics before losing him for the year.
The Big 12 was hurt by Embiid and Niang going down, no question. But do any of the other Big 12 teams that got bounced early have similar mitigating circumstances?
Personally, I'd call the conference race a wash this year. The Big 12 was slightly better in the regular season and (if KU/ISU hadn't lost key players) the B1G has been slightly better in the tournament (3 Elite Eight teams to what likely would have been 2 for the Big 12).
This is very true. Two of the Big 12s most talented teams have the worst coaches. I know a lot of people defend Scott Drew based on his record, but it is pretty clear that when things are not going well in a game, he has no clue on what to do. Look at the ISU vs Uconn game. Uconn was shooting out of their minds, yet ISU still had a realistic chance of winning last night with a couple more shots or FTs made.
Okie State played most of the year without their starting PF and lost one a bench player midway thru the year. They maybe had 6 big 12 caliber players most of the conference schedule. If you had to rate the 22 teams in the big12/b1g I think the b1G has the top 3 teams, then the big 12 has the next 6 teams for sure, maybe 7. Then the b1g would pry have the next 5 or 6 teams. Probably not enough of a difference though to say one conference is better than the other.
I disagree, look at the numbers, big 12 coaches have won more conference titles, tourney games, NC's, everything you'd use to compare coaches, the big 12 has an advantage.
This makes me so sad. I thought the Big XII was really going to take a step up this year. Can't even watch the games now. =(
I just meant were there any other Big 12 teams that lost one of their key guys either right before or even during tournament play? It's one thing when you've got several weeks to adjust to such a change in circumstances. But to be doing it on the fly in a one-and-done format is a lot more challenging.
Who cares? Been seeing a lot of Hok fans coming out of the woodwork this week to make this claim. I guess you can tell how a school's season went when they begin to cling to the success of teams they're not affiliated with. I mean, obviously we saw how "deep" the Big 10 was when the Northwestern's and Illinois' of the world started beating "title contenders" like Iowa.
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