Brackins or Fizer?

[enisthemenace]

What ever. Fizer was unstoppable!!!!

Tinsley was great, and that team was LOADED, but Fizer was a beast. Maybe you should watch some of the old games to REFRESH your memory.

Sorry Man. I am physically laughing at your post.

I really don't need a memory refresher...I was there (a student at Iowa State) every year Fizer was in Ames, as well as the year after when we won the Big 12 regular season...without him.

Granted, and a pre-emptive "touche" to you, we did not close the next year. That following year, however, should show you just how talented Fizer's "supporting cast" was. I just wonder how much of an influence the '99-'00 season carries when comparing the two's INDIVIDUAL skill set. It appears to weigh quite a bit.

I respect your opinion, but you can't take other players with you (cliche - "You can't have your cake and eat it too").

 

[Ficklone02]

Let's see what Brackins is doing at the end of the season. In six straight conference games (last 5 of the season plus the B12 Tourney opener) Fizer scored between 29 and 38 points in each game. I've never seen a Cyclone dominate like that.

Not only that, but he contributed to winning which of course is the most important thing. Rebounding, offense, defense, toughness, he had it all. Craig is a good player, but we haven't won jack these past few years....although Fizer had a much better coaching staff so I don't blame Craig for the losing.

 

[CycloneJoe]

Fizer by a mile Brakins cant guard small white guys

 

[CycloneJoe]

Brackins sorry drunk

 

[enisthemenace]

Brackins has more talent but Fizer used what he had better and stepped up to make the whole team better. Right now, Brackins isn't playing hard nosed, determined basketball - nor has he ever. Until that changes, he has no chance in the NBA.

You can't say Brackins isn't making his teammates better, which is your contention above. Someone posted it in an earlier "insane" thread about whether Brackins "might stay". Somebody, please, put the assist/TO ratio up again. And while your at it, compare it with Fizers.

 

[LindenCy]

People forget that Fizer could also shoot the 3, he was just physical enough that he didn't have to much. Even if we say their offense is even, Fizer could rebound. Do we have anyone on this current team capable of imposing their will on the glass? I don't think so. I love Craig to death but I'd take Fizer in a heartbeat.

Looking this up, I was shocked how good Fizer's 3pt % was his junior year:

Marcus Fizer, Iowa State

 

[enisthemenace]

Looking this up, I was shocked how good Fizer's 3pt % was his junior year:

Marcus Fizer, Iowa State

42% is a great percentage. You know what I found interesting though? He was (I am serious here...no sarcasm) so good 'people' were comparing him to Kenyon Martin (not muuuuch of a stretch) and Karl Malone.

Caveat...Honesty is a fault of mine. I'm sorry, but as great as Fizer was, he was no Karl Malone (or was he? MF did have his Stockton, didn't he?).

 

[LindenCy]

42% is a great percentage. You know what I found interesting though? He was (I am serious here...no sarcasm) so good 'people' were comparing him to Kenyon Martin (not muuuuch of a stretch) and Karl Malone.

Caveat...Honesty is a fault of mine. I'm sorry, but as great as Fizer was, he was no Karl Malone (or was he? MF did have his Stockton, didn't he?).

I was honestly surprised to see that percentage. Of course he didn't shoot that many from there.

Hopefully we get some nice wins down the stretch and Brackins will have a chance at a productive pro career.

 

[San Francisco Cy]

"Single handedly"?? WOW. We were 15 - 15 Fizer's soph year. We didn't "win" anything until Tinsley showed up.

Fizer's transformation from his sophomore to junior year was nothing short of incredible. He was a man among boys his junior year. I think with a bruiser like Fizer on this team, in place of Brackins, we'd be better.

That's not to take anything away from Brackins. He's a great player, but, if we're talking one or the other, I'll take a guy that averaged about 25 points and 11 points in conference play. Our current centers will average about half that combined this year, at the rate we're going. We desperately need a guy like this on our team right now to go to the next level.

We have possibly one in Gilstrap, and none on the horizon. That will bring ultimately be the end of McDermott's tenure, if he can't start bringing in and developing physical big man talent. The Big 12 Conference is far too physical for the way our team is currently built and playing...

 

[Psyclone Brian]

IMO... Fizer was our last "true" Big.

 

[LindenCy]

IMO... Fizer was our last "true" Big.

I think Homan (and Vroman) could be considered there.

 

[Clone5]

Fizer's transformation from his sophomore to junior year was nothing short of incredible. He was a man among boys his junior year. I think with a bruiser like Fizer on this team, in place of Brackins, we'd be better.

That's not to take anything away from Brackins. He's a great player, but, if we're talking one or the other, I'll take a guy that averaged about 25 points and 11 points in conference play. Our current centers will average about half that combined this year, at the rate we're going. We desperately need a guy like this on our team right now to go to the next level.

We have possibly one in Gilstrap, and none on the horizon. That will bring ultimately be the end of McDermott's tenure, if he can't start bringing in and developing physical big man talent. The Big 12 Conference is far too physical for the way our team is currently built and playing...

I think that transformation had a lot to do with Tinsley arriving. The test here is to put Brackins with Fizer's teammates and Fizer with Brackins'. Brackins would be a force with Tinsley and Horton but I'd still take Fizer just because you can throw it down low to him anytime.

 

[nb06]

Marucs Fizer

Only because I am old school. Both can score it, but Fizer would take a drop step and go up and dunk the ball in traffic. Brackins isn't nearly as physical, and likes to fade away. Nothing against Craig, I just prefer someone who will battle on the block like Fizer/Rancik/Homan, etc.

However, I think Craig will have the better pro career because of all of the different things he can do with the basketball.

 

[Clone5]

Marucs Fizer

Only because I am old school. Both can score it, but Fizer would take a drop step and go up and dunk the ball in traffic. Brackins isn't nearly as physical, and likes to fade away. Nothing against Craig, I just prefer someone who will battle on the block like Fizer/Rancik/Homan, etc.

However, I think Craig will have the better pro career because of all of the different things he can do with the basketball.

A lot of its at play here but I'm guessing if Fizer would have remained healthy he would have had a better pro career than Brackins will have. Of course this depends on what team Brackins lands on but considering Fizer was on a horrific Bulls team and still almost won 6th man of the year he had a decent pro career.

 

[LindenCy]

A lot of its at play here but I'm guessing if Fizer would have remained healthy he would have had a better pro career than Brackins will have. Of course this depends on what team Brackins lands on but considering Fizer was on a horrific Bulls team and still almost won 6th man of the year he had a decent pro career.

Glad to see someone else defend Fizer's pro career. If he had stayed healthy as you say, he would have had a very solid pro career. Maybe never be an all-star, but very solid.

Tinsley also has had a very solid career, and I wish some of the health and other issues hadn't come up with him.

 

[Clone5]

Glad to see someone else defend Fizer's pro career. If he had stayed healthy as you say, he would have had a very solid pro career. Maybe never be an all-star, but very solid.

Tinsley also has had a very solid career, and I wish some of the health and other issues hadn't come up with him.

If they would have had their heads on straight it would have made their teams (Bulls, Pacers) much more inclined to stay with them through injuries and roster changes.
I'm looking forward to seeing Brackins in the pros.

 

[LindenCy]

If they would have had their heads on straight it would have made their teams (Bulls, Pacers) much more inclined to stay with them through injuries and roster changes.
I'm looking forward to seeing Brackins in the pros.

Me too. I am glad Tinsley is getting another shot also.

I would love it if Craig had a huge pro career.

 

[gocubs2118]

Fizer by a mile Brakins cant guard small white guys

LOL, does he have to?

:biglaugh:

 

[RandomFan]

Brackins has more talent but Fizer used what he had better and stepped up to make the whole team better. Right now, Brackins isn't playing hard nosed, determined basketball - nor has he ever. Until that changes, he has no chance in the NBA.

I disagree. Fizer was a McD's AA. You don't get there without talent. Brackins may look more smooth than Marcus did, but God gave Marcus a little more than he gave Craig.

But to say Craig has no chance in the NBA, well, I will just say I strongly disagree with that.

 

[herbicide]

A lot of its at play here but I'm guessing if Fizer would have remained healthy he would have had a better pro career than Brackins will have. Of course this depends on what team Brackins lands on but considering Fizer was on a horrific Bulls team and still almost won 6th man of the year he had a decent pro career.

I agree with this, even though he was undersized (short) for his strengths in the NBA.

Fizer vs. Brackins is tough, because they are different styles of players and have different levels of supporting casts.

Another way to ask this question would be who could guard who. I don't think Brackins could do much to stop Fizer. Brackins would give Fizer some trouble, but nothing like the fits Fizer would give Brackins.

Although in all fairness, Brackins doesn't have a Tinsley, (or Nurse and Horton for that matter) to create opportunities for him.

All that said, I take Fizer. Bangers like him are absolute nightmares for opposing teams. Also, having Gilstrap/Dendy should make Brackins a better player, but we haven't seen that (yet?).