Brackins or Fizer?
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
If I had to actually CHOOSE between Fizer and Brackins, it's Fizer hands down. Imagine though how good they'd be in the frontcourt at the same time
Brackins is much more the complete player. Without Jamaal Tinsley, Marcus Fizer couldn't break an egg.
Let Brackins hit a basket in Lawrence Fieldhouse to beat the Jayhawks and we can have this discussion.
Fizer hands down, I'm a little dissapointed with how Brakins is doing this year. Sort of makes me sad.
Craig is a great kid and put up 42 on KU, which was great -- but then gets shut down by Iowa (Iowa!). To me he's just not consistently aggressive like Fizer was, but he's been more of a perimeter player, so it's not really a fair comparison.
He also hasn't had another go-to guy in the lineup until this year, so let's wait and see how things play out in the Big 12.
Fizer was a consistent hammer his junior year, the physical style of play we had then was perfect for him and no one in the league could stop it. He really was a man among boys that year, so right now I'd have to pick Fizer -- but Brackins might be better suited for the NBA if he gets with the right team.
He also hasn't had another go-to guy in the lineup until this year, so let's wait and see how things play out in the Big 12.
Fizer was a consistent hammer his junior year, the physical style of play we had then was perfect for him and no one in the league could stop it. He really was a man among boys that year, so right now I'd have to pick Fizer -- but Brackins might be better suited for the NBA if he gets with the right team.
Fizer. This is just me though, because i would rather have a strong beastly rebounder then a non physical player that doesnt like to battle down low.
CycloneErik
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The Iowa game was well before the KU game. I think that Tate and Cole pushing him around was the wake-up call that led to his explosion the rest of the year.
I know it has been said.... but I think it has been drastically under emphasized.
Fizers teammates were lightyears ahead of Brackins talent wise. Fizer's team, minus him AND Tinsley would destroy ISU this year WITH Craig.
Fizer is probably a better player, but watching Craig play with Fizer's team sure would have been really fun.
Fizer played on a team that REALLY knew its role.
Fizers teammates were lightyears ahead of Brackins talent wise. Fizer's team, minus him AND Tinsley would destroy ISU this year WITH Craig.
Fizer is probably a better player, but watching Craig play with Fizer's team sure would have been really fun.
Fizer played on a team that REALLY knew its role.
Haven't read through the thread but I will take Fizer because of the Intangibles. Both can score, but Fizer has huge edges in toughness, leadership and D.
As a college player this shouldn't really even be a serious discussion. Fizer was one of the all time Cyclone greats. Does anyone really think Brackins will have his number hanging in Hilton anytime soon? The 2 careers aren't even comparable, and pretty much nothing could happen this year that could change that. The only nod I'd give Brackins is pro potential.
Fizer his Jr. year vs. Brackins now, Fizer, hands down. I do think that Brackins has more potential though. Fizer dominated the college game because he was built like Karl Malone, a man amongst boys at that level. Plus he was an excellent jump shooter.
However, am I the only one that remembers times where Fizer would prefer to face the basket from about 12 feet, take the jumper or ball fake and get to the rim? He really preferred not to play with his back to the basket. He could do what he wanted in college, but I think his less developed post game hurt him in the NBA. This is where I see Brackins having a bit more all-around potential. He'll have to get a lot tougher to stick in the NBA, but he uses both hands well, sees the court and passes exceptionally well, which are keys to NBA post players.
Just my opinion though, not meant to knock Fizer, I'd take him over Brackins right now. I guess his shooting ability made it so he didn't have to post guys up as much.
However, am I the only one that remembers times where Fizer would prefer to face the basket from about 12 feet, take the jumper or ball fake and get to the rim? He really preferred not to play with his back to the basket. He could do what he wanted in college, but I think his less developed post game hurt him in the NBA. This is where I see Brackins having a bit more all-around potential. He'll have to get a lot tougher to stick in the NBA, but he uses both hands well, sees the court and passes exceptionally well, which are keys to NBA post players.
Just my opinion though, not meant to knock Fizer, I'd take him over Brackins right now. I guess his shooting ability made it so he didn't have to post guys up as much.
Clonin, your picture of Fizer is fantasy. Fizer could do nothing at all in college until Jamaal Tinsley showed up to create oportunities for him and get him the ball. Before JT, defenders would pack it in and Fizer could not even smell the ball. With JT in Ames, Fizer flourished as JT would get in the lane, draw everyone to him, then dish the ball. After ISU in Chicago, Fizer was back to trying to get his own shot, and he failed miserably. Brackins scored 42 points on a very good KU team with no help from anyone. And he was a sophomore. Fizer's big year, he was a junior.
FIZER
Much more of a physical presence. Much...much more.
Now, if Brack could get us to the elite 8 or final 4.....we'll talk.
Much more of a physical presence. Much...much more.
Now, if Brack could get us to the elite 8 or final 4.....we'll talk.
Really?
Fizer averaged 14 and 7 as a freshman, 18 and 7 as a sophomore before Tinsley ever showed up. You don't have to lie to make your point.
This has probably been mentioned but you have to keep in mind that Fizer had Tinsley on the team. Tinsley was the best point guard in ISU history and there will probably never be another one as good as him at ISU ever again. It sure helps your stats if you are a front court player and Tinsley is the one tasked with getting you the ball.
LOL, agree with you here.
No idea what that poster is referring to. Fizer was a stud his soph season on a squad that wasn't giving him much help. He was also much more productive his freshman season than Craig was.
And a poster above says Craig is a much more rounded basketball player...huh? Fizer could dribble, shoot (range included), drive, defend, block shots, score, and be an absolute bull at nearly 270lbs...I'd say Marcus was as well rounded as we've had here at ISU.
Not to take anything away from Craig, but let's not push aside just how special of a player MF was.
