Bubu Suing ISU

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There may not be any 'literal monetary' value to playing basketball, but there DEFINATELY is an emotional one. IMO, This gives Bubu standing to sue ISU as they took away his opportunity to fulfill his rights as a collegiate student (not just an ISU student, but as a student in general as he could have transfered).

IIRC, Bubu was allowed to stay with ISU and continue his academics. I don't think the "losses as a student" angle would fly in a courtroom, given that note. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
 

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I just don't get where homerism falls in this. Going back to the Rice example, I don't see lots of Ravens fans jumping to support him when the elevator video came out. Other opinions except yours do exist, and yours has no more value than anyone elses'. Acting smug doesn't prove anything.

Then you shouldn't be in this conversation at all.
 

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You are WAAAAYYYY too emotional with this. That is why people are not taking you seriously in this debate. I don't know if you know the victim, or have have known other victims in the past, but past cases and examples don't indicate that this current situation was rape. The victim fabricating evidence is a huge problem and leads people to believe the other side of the story. This does NOT mean that those people are 'PRO-Rape', or ANTI-victim. All it means is that when someone tries to mis-represent a situation with fabricated evidence, there is a PRETTY good chance that people are going to think you are intentionally lying. This may or MAY NOT be the case. It could just be a situation where someone was just trying to do everything in their power to get a bad person arrested....but that DOESN'T make fabricating evicence right.

I also think most of us understand that Iowa State's Student Conduct Policy is MUCH different than the legal system, and as such there are MUCH different thresholds of burdens of proof. But...there is also no denying that a non-biased arbiter that was HIRED by ISU ruled in Bubu's favor and said he should be able to continue playing. There is also no denying that President Leath COMPLETELY botched the appeal by waiting WAYYYY too long to issue a ruling preventing Bubu from transferring to an institution where he WOULD be eligible to play.

Leath's delay cost Bubu the opportunity to play collegiate athletics 1 last time. There may not be any 'literal monetary' value to playing basketball, but there DEFINATELY is an emotional one. IMO, This gives Bubu standing to sue ISU as they took away his opportunity to fulfill his rights as a collegiate student (not just an ISU student, but as a student in general as he could have transfered).

I'm actually not emotional at all. I do know former rape victims, and I know that some of them have felt like they needed to go to desperate measures to be believed, as rape victims are re-victimized and not believed in most situations. There is a reason that the gross majority of rapes and assaults go unreported. I don't think it is impossible that the girl here did the same. I find it disgusting that people think, "She was drunk, she was asking for it." Or "she texted him, therefore she must have been DTF."

Fulfilling "his rights" implies that he kept the contract that he had with ISU to act as a representative and have good conduct. Those rights were reliant on that. Those were rights, additionally, that ISU gave him that nobody else offered or allowed. It's essentially saying, "Oh, hey - you said you were going to gift me $100 of your money, but you only gave me $75. I'm going to sue you for $1000." Had ISU not given him the chance to play, he wouldn't be in the D-league right now, unless there were offers from other NCAA schools that have not been reported previously. Perhaps ISU should subtract his winnings from a lawsuit from the D-league wages they've helped him earn?
 

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Here's what I will say. Regardless of whether or not the right decision is that Bubu did something wrong and should therefore be punished, I feel like it is pretty clear Iowa State and Leath were wrong in how they handled the situation. There is clearly some sort of lost wages that Bubu can claim, how much is a different story.

Now to the much more complicated and contentious part. I have always been of the opinion that if innocent people are being punished we don't have a high enough standard. Now we can argue about the specifics of the case, but I think that this has brought up a very important issue when it comes to student discipline and sexual assaults. If we have even one person being sexually assaulted on campus or in our society that is to many. Lowering our standards of evidence and the likes isn't going to solve it. All that does is create more confusion on who is guilty. Also once an assault has happened punishing someone isn't going to make it so the assault hasn't happened. It happened and that sucks, but it did so now we have to deal with it. Just finding someone who we think may have assaulted someone and punishing isn't dealing with it. All that does is possibly create another victim. Now if they did it obviously punish them, but make sure they did it.

Now to get into the details of the code of conduct.
Consent between two or more people is defined as an affirmative agreement--through clear actions or words--to engage in sexual activity.
This is from the Iowa State code of conduct. Now I am by no means a lawyer and I don't know if the athletes have their own that addresses it differently, but it doesn't require a verbal yes like some have alluded to.
 

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That girl costs us that season, I thought Bubu was primed for a great senior season after losing Clyburn, Lucious, Babb, McGee. Instead we had a 7 man rotation and then a 6 man after Georges when down. You won't convince me FR MT was better than SR Bubu would have been. Bubu played twice the minutes of Naz as well as a junior.
 

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Nobody is attacking you. People are, however, using the same amount of condescension which you have displayed up-thread. I've never banned anyone for disagreeing with my viewpoint, but you can keep on with that if you'd like. Go ahead and provide a list of all of the members I have personally banned, putting an asterisk next to ones specifically for disagreeing with me. Short answer - I almost never ban, other than temp ones as agreed upon by the mod team for violating signature site rules. So the "big bad mod" thing is irrelevant here, and an attempt to deflect. You are correct; the case was dropped on a technicality - a very ridiculous and far-reaching mistake on the part of the female. That doesn't mean there wasn't a victim.
Making up substantiating evidence was not smart for the accusers.
 

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That girl costs us that season, I thought Bubu was primed for a great senior season after losing Clyburn, Lucious, Babb, McGee. Instead we had a 7 man rotation and then a 6 man after Georges when down. You won't convince me FR MT was better than SR Bubu would have been. Bubu played twice the minutes of Naz as well as a junior.

Wow, I guess Bubu and his friend had nothing to do with it.
 

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And, if you have a completely biased view against any opinion that isn't identical to yours, neither should you. Fair trade.

You understand that there are truly only two sides to this, correct? You either support Bubu or you don't. This isn't a conversation about a complex issue with wildly varying opinions from all sides, so please, quit trying to frame it as such.

I make no bones about it, Bubu is guilty as sin in my mind. You strip away the hometown walkon status with the cute nickname and all you have left is a kid who took advantage of a girl and then turned around and used his lawyers to slut shame her to the point that he got away with it.

There was no ISU administration vendetta against Bubu, there was no plan just to hold the kid back for nefarious reasons - they simply looked through the information and came to the basic conclusion that this was not the type of person they wanted associated with their university.

It's not a difficult situation to read between the lines on.
 
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NATEizKING

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You understand that there are truly only two sides to this, correct? You either support Bubu or you don't. This isn't a conversation about a complex issue with wildly varying opinions from all sides, so please, quit trying to frame it as such.

I make no bones about it, Bubu is guilty as sin in my mind. You strip away the hometown walkon status with the cute nickname and all you have left is a kid who took advantage of a girl and then turned around and used his lawyers to slut shame her to the point that he got away with it.

There was no ISU administration vendetta against Bubu, there was no plan just to hold the kid back for nefarious reasons - they simply looked through the information and came to the basic conclusion that this was not the type of person they wanted associated with their university.
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So when charges are dropped, why wait to make the decision until after his transfer deadline? There was plenty of time to reach a decision, that is ISU screwing him over plain and simple, whether he was guilty or not.
 

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You understand that there are truly only two sides to this, correct? You either support Bubu or you don't. This isn't a conversation about a complex issue with wildly varying opinions from all sides, so please, quit trying to frame it as such.

I make no bones about it, Bubu is guilty as sin in my mind. You strip away the hometown walkon status with the cute nickname and all you have left is a kid who took advantage of a girl and then turned around and used his lawyers to slut shame her to the point that he got away with it.

There was no ISU administration vendetta against Bubu, there was no plan just to hold the kid back for nefarious reasons - they simply looked through the information and came to the basic conclusion that this was not the type of person they wanted associated with their university.
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Stuff like this just amazes me. Relationships of all kinds are incredibly complex (sexual relationships being no different) and to try and paint this as black and white is just amazing.
 

CYphyllis

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So when charges are dropped, why wait to make the decision until after his transfer deadline? There was plenty of time to reach a decision, that is ISU screwing him over plain and simple, whether he was guilty or not.

Who the **** cares about a transfer deadline, it was a goddamn sexual assault case. Jesus, find some perspective.
 
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