Bubu Suing ISU

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I forgot that Bubu was allowed to play the remainder of the 2012-2013 season after all charges were dropped. It was following season he became "unfit" to play. This stemmed from a follow-on suit by the accuser's mother.

The linked Ethos article provides some interesting discussion/insight.

http://ethosmagazine.org/2013/the-comeback-kid/
 

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Nobody is attacking you. People are, however, using the same amount of condescension which you have displayed up-thread. I've never banned anyone for disagreeing with my viewpoint, but you can keep on with that if you'd like. Go ahead and provide a list of all of the members I have personally banned, putting an asterisk next to ones specifically for disagreeing with me. Short answer - I almost never ban, other than temp ones as agreed upon by the mod team for violating signature site rules. So the "big bad mod" thing is irrelevant here, and an attempt to deflect.

You are correct; the case was dropped on a technicality - a very ridiculous and far-reaching mistake on the part of the female. That doesn't mean there wasn't a victim.

And calling me a former troll isn't an attempt to deflect or discredit my points?
Uh, MeowingCows is not CyBer... I've met MeowingCows in real life and know who CyBer is and they're not the same person.

I still think victim blaming is a stretch here, although I do know the exact definition of the term. I don't understand why it isn't a fair judgment to claim that all parties involved with this case were making really, really stupid decisions, not just BuBu, as some are making it sound. That just leads to a huge, huge double standard. And, although an interesting choice since he already won one case related to this event, it's within Bubu's right and fairness to go after ISU next for the handling of his situation.
 

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Granted, I don't actually know that he's going to win his case against the university, but he's still fairly allowed to try.
 

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2.) I have never said that him being a crappy walk-on affected the original case at all? The case now is directly affected by him not having elite pro potential. You can sue all you want, but if your argument is that you lost out on wages, you probably should have been elite in the first place. The discussion about the earlier case only came about because people were victim-blaming, and I responded to it (see my very first post in this thread). I'm sorry if you are unable to keep up, but I can't talk slower over the internet. Maybe just pause between every word while you read?
Good thing Georges never got into legal trouble, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a chance at playing in the NBA because he wasn't elite in the first place.
 

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And calling me a former troll isn't an attempt to deflect or discredit my points?

I still think victim blaming is a stretch here, although I do know the exact definition of the term. I don't understand why it isn't a fair judgment to claim that all parties involved with this case were making really, really stupid decisions, not just BuBu, as some are making it sound. That just leads to a huge, huge double standard. And, although an interesting choice since he already won one case related to this event, it's within Bubu's right and fairness to go after ISU next for the handling of his situation.

Who on earth has said that the girl didn't make terrible decisions?! She absolutely did. Don't get ****-faced drunk and not have a reliable way home. That's Safe Girl 101. However, calling someone who is reportedly a friend and asking for a ride, even if you have a past sexual history with them, does not imply consent for them to tag-team you. She also made, yet again, a terrible decision by ripping the shirt. Whether it was to try and be certain her attackers didn't get off, or to support a story that didn't happen at all, it was a terrible idea.

I have never once said that Bubu had intentions of raping her when he picked her up or at any point. Based off of what I remember of the original court documents, his friend actively raped her while she was near passed-out, and then Bubu went in second. He could have thought she had given the go-ahead, but the simple, very fundamental fact, is that someone incapacitated is not capable of consenting to sex. That doesn't mean that I think Bubu is an active predator, it means that (given the original court documents) he made a decision that would be considered rape by the letter of the law. That means that the girl is, if that evidence is true, a victim in the formal sense of the word. That is the black-and-white, super-stark situation. This particular whole situation has a lot of gray - but I will continue to use the appropriate terminology.

Again, from what I remember, the university conducted their own investigation that differed from the "insufficient evidence" found by the police, and they acted on that. As we are not privy to that information, and it's at their discretion to decide if someone is compliant with university standards, it seems silly to me to think that they're just holding a grudge against a hometown hero very popular with the fans. The university knows how people felt before Leath's decision - it's ridiculous to think that this was motivated by spite or hatred on Leath and the BOR's part, that they'd be willing to take a black eye in many's opinion if this wasn't substantiated.
 

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Good thing Georges never got into legal trouble, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten a chance at playing in the NBA because he wasn't elite in the first place.

LOL at comparing Georges with Bubu.

Bubu wasn't kicked off the team after never having played. He was gifted the opportunity by the university, had some okay-not-great stats, and then made a bad decision. Georges used the opportunity to play that the university gave him to produce amazing stats, and to just NOT rape passed-out chicks. Not being elite in the first place can be fixed if you're amazing; Bubu is not.

Maybe find someone with stats comparable to Bubu's. Then you don't sound asinine.
 

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Angie, you can't argue with these people, their level of homerism will never allow for reason.
 
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Angie, you can't argue with these people, their level of homerism will never allow for reason.

You're right, and I'm not sure why I'm even trying.

Craig Brackins was 5x the player Bubu was, and he washed out. But surely the world owes Bubu lost wages.
 

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Angie, you can't argue with these people, their level of homerism will never allow for reason.

I just don't get where homerism falls in this. Going back to the Rice example, I don't see lots of Ravens fans jumping to support him when the elevator video came out. Other opinions except yours do exist, and yours has no more value than anyone elses'. Acting smug doesn't prove anything.
 

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You're right, and I'm not sure why I'm even trying.

Craig Brackins was 5x the player Bubu was, and he washed out. But surely the world owes Bubu lost wages.
Just because Bubu wasn't going to be in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't lose out on possible wages.
 

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LOL at comparing Georges with Bubu.

Bubu wasn't kicked off the team after never having played. He was gifted the opportunity by the university, had some okay-not-great stats, and then made a bad decision. Georges used the opportunity to play that the university gave him to produce amazing stats, and to just NOT rape passed-out chicks. Not being elite in the first place can be fixed if you're amazing; Bubu is not.

Maybe find someone with stats comparable to Bubu's. Then you don't sound asinine.
Naz went from 1.5 ppg in 12/13 to 7 ppg in 13/14.
Nader went from 5.8 ppg in 14/15 to ppg 13.1 in 15/16.
Matt Thomas went from 4.7 ppg in 14/15 to 10.7 ppg in 15/16.

None of those guys had any more appeal to professional leagues after their improvement. Right.
 

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Just an aside, no one here can really clarify anything about the case. No one knows, and no one was there when it happened. Hence all the arguing you are seeing.

There are some things that are undisputed: general timeline of events, etc. It's possible that the accuser was drinking or intoxicated, I've just never seen that tidbit anywhere other than Fanatic, and that seems relevant to a lot of the things being asserted in this thread. This nightmare thread.
 

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There are some things that are undisputed: general timeline of events, etc. It's possible that the accuser was drinking or intoxicated, I've just never seen that tidbit anywhere other than Fanatic, and that seems relevant to a lot of the things being asserted in this thread. This nightmare thread.

It'll be pretty hard to find greater detail than that without finding the actual court documents, unfortunately.
 

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Classic Bubu thread.

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You're right, and I'm not sure why I'm even trying.

Craig Brackins was 5x the player Bubu was, and he washed out. But surely the world owes Bubu lost wages.

You are WAAAAYYYY too emotional with this. That is why people are not taking you seriously in this debate. I don't know if you know the victim, or have have known other victims in the past, but past cases and examples don't indicate that this current situation was rape. The victim fabricating evidence is a huge problem and leads people to believe the other side of the story. This does NOT mean that those people are 'PRO-Rape', or ANTI-victim. All it means is that when someone tries to mis-represent a situation with fabricated evidence, there is a PRETTY good chance that people are going to think you are intentionally lying. This may or MAY NOT be the case. It could just be a situation where someone was just trying to do everything in their power to get a bad person arrested....but that DOESN'T make fabricating evicence right.

I also think most of us understand that Iowa State's Student Conduct Policy is MUCH different than the legal system, and as such there are MUCH different thresholds of burdens of proof. But...there is also no denying that a non-biased arbiter that was HIRED by ISU ruled in Bubu's favor and said he should be able to continue playing. There is also no denying that President Leath COMPLETELY botched the appeal by waiting WAYYYY too long to issue a ruling preventing Bubu from transferring to an institution where he WOULD be eligible to play.

Leath's delay cost Bubu the opportunity to play collegiate athletics 1 last time. There may not be any 'literal monetary' value to playing basketball, but there DEFINATELY is an emotional one. IMO, This gives Bubu standing to sue ISU as they took away his opportunity to fulfill his rights as a collegiate student (not just an ISU student, but as a student in general as he could have transfered).
 

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Naz went from 1.5 ppg in 12/13 to 7 ppg in 13/14.
Nader went from 5.8 ppg in 14/15 to ppg 13.1 in 15/16.
Matt Thomas went from 4.7 ppg in 14/15 to 10.7 ppg in 15/16.

None of those guys had any more appeal to professional leagues after their improvement. Right.

You're not providing any examples with any substantiated NBA success. Can you provide an ISU player with Bubu's stats who has been a success in the NBA, or who was even drafted? I'll wait.

Or even people who have had a lot of success overseas.
 
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