Bubu Suing ISU

[ImJustKCClone]

Is there any kind of evidence anywhere that Leath had decided to overturn Priester and just sat on the decision until the transfer deadline passed? Or is this just a conspiracy theory fabricated by the Bubu fanboys to give them something to justify their hate for Leath?

Given the mess that Leath had to sort through, the time frame seems reasonable to me.

Are you a personal friend of Dr. Leath? The language you use regarding the opinions of others is a little extreme.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Regardless of any of the facts/opinions of the assault case itself, which have been discussed ad nauseum in this thread, I feel like Bubu's position is that the timing of Leath's decision to declare him ineligible is what really screwed him over. There was more than ample time to tell Bubu "Hey in the eyes of the law you are in the clear, but you didn't abide by our more-stringent rules. Therefore, you're ineligible."

Instead, the administration delayed and waited until just after the date he could have transferred. Unless you presume that the Iowa State administration didn't know the deadline for transferring eligibility (which would display extreme ineptitude and lack of due diligence by the administration), it is pretty clear that there was malicious intent.

I think that's where the arguments are crossing. I, like others (Angie for instance), are arguing the circumstances surrounding the deed (HIGHLY emotional and different for men than women). Others - and you have the perfect point - are arguing the administration response which is way more linear and evidence/fact supported.

I won't fault Leath for doing what he thought was right in the circumstance but if he used the process to personally punish Bubu beyond the scope of university process and procedure there is a problem.

 

[Angie]

He plays in the NBA D league. Which is professional. So since he is paid to play professional BB it would make sense to say given a year of college ball at ISU he could have improved his game and received enough attention to be paid more somewhere. Europe or an easier path the D league or whatever.

He does play in the D league, correct. Which means that he was on the radar, and not considered good enough to go to Europe or to the NBA. He's got to be getting a lot more grooming for the pro game in the D league than he would have at ISU - so, I'd argue that him going to the D-league a year earlier actually is helping develop an NBA game more quickly than if he'd stayed here another year.

 

[jbhtexas]

Are you a personal friend of Dr. Leath?

No, I am not a personal friend of Leath.

The language you use regarding the opinions of others is a little extreme.

Really? It's no more extreme than accusing Leath of maliciously trying to sabotage the career of a college basketball player without providing any evidence for said accusation. Why aren't you complaining about that?

 

[Angie]

That sounds like we're worried about the image of the university, but not about the safety of the coeds from this "rapist".

Bubu essentially missed two years of playing time as a role player who might or might not have developed further. It's also tough to stay in playing form when you're not playing. It goes a little beyond D-leagues being discouraged by rumors.

OR they were trying to placate him to avoid a civil suit. I don't particularly like either situation, I think they should have kicked him out altogether if they were going so far as to ban him from basketball, but I can understand why they did it.

If I remember correctly, Fred let Bubu practice that last year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

This is what I just can't wrap my head around.

First off, has he ever talked publicly about this?

Wouldn't taking responsibility put him in a worse place than he already is?

Maybe he would take responsibility if she admitted she was also in the wrong (if he feels that way)?

She had her day in court to accuse him of rape. He wasn't allowed to play basketball his senior year. His name will permanently be tied to rape. And he wasn't found guilty.

And you don't think he has the right to sue anyone who was any part of this?

The lawsuit is his only avenue. Nothing he could say short of a confession will further anyone's life at this point. It is his only legal avenue but the choice to take that road is all him.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

No, I am not a personal friend of Leath.



Really? It's no more extreme than accusing Leath of maliciously trying to sabotage the career of a college basketball player without providing any evidence for said accusation. Why aren't you complaining about that?

If you read my posts, I find fault with the manner in which the administration handled the case, and I do it without calling anyone a Leath fanboy, a hater, or a conspiracy theorist.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I think saying that Bubu's professional career wasn't affected isn't correct. Did Deandre Kane's senior season at Iowa State benefit his professional career? Did Will Clyburn's? One season can change a lot. Especially if all you are doing that season is sitting on the bench.

 

[Gunnerclone]

On THAT point, I think we can agree. Don't get so drunk that you are incapable of making wise decisions.

Pretty much this. My disdain for alcohol, it's legalities and normalization are at the heart of so many bad things that happen in this country.

 

[MeowingCows]

Bubu saying something as simple as, "Hey, kids, maybe make better choices about place and time" doesn't put him at risk of anything.

That still doesn't and wouldn't change anything at all related to his cases, though. That'd be like Ray Rice giving us all a PSA to not punch women in elevators. Yeah, we already know not to do that.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

OR they were trying to placate him to avoid a civil suit. I don't particularly like either situation, I think they should have kicked him out altogether if they were going so far as to ban him from basketball, but I can understand why they did it.

If I remember correctly, Fred let Bubu practice that last year.

Sorry, I don't think placating him to avoid a suit played any role in their thought processes. I don't know that for a fact though...it's just personal opinion.

Practicing and playing are two different things...scouts & coaches will know more about Hallice, Deonte & Jordan than they will Simeon or Stu.

 

[cyfanatic13]

I think saying that Bubu's professional career wasn't affected isn't correct. Did Deandre Kane's senior season at Iowa State benefit his professional career? Did Will Clyburn's? One season can change a lot. Especially if all you are doing that season is sitting on the bench.

Hey stop that. Angie says he wouldn't have had any better opportunities with that extra season so that must be right

 

[Ames]

He does play in the D league, correct. Which means that he was on the radar, and not considered good enough to go to Europe or to the NBA. He's got to be getting a lot more grooming for the pro game in the D league than he would have at ISU - so, I'd argue that him going to the D-league a year earlier actually is helping develop an NBA game more quickly than if he'd stayed here another year.

He lost his senior year at ISU. ISU didn't give him a decision early enough for him to transfer so he used his senior year doing nothing at ISU. He didn't go pro early.

If there is nothing to be gained by playing a senior year at ISU for improving your game and getting attention over playing in the D league than we should tell Monte to go play D league next year.

It's just way off base to act like Bubu is a crappy walk-on and him getting a senior year at ISU would have done absolutely nothing for his career.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Pretty much this. My disdain for alcohol, it's legalities and normalization are at the heart of so many bad things that happen in this country.

Eh, don't paint me with the Carrie Nation brush! I like alcohol. I like drinking. I don't like being drunk, or being around drunks. Subtle distinction.

 

[Fitzy]

I think saying that Bubu's professional career wasn't affected isn't correct. Did Deandre Kane's senior season at Iowa State benefit his professional career? Did Will Clyburn's? One season can change a lot. Especially if all you are doing that season is sitting on the bench.

I have a source from within the program that told me Bubu improved a massive amount in that offseason before **** hit the fan... Like, he was beating Korie Lucious quite often in practice and some of the guys wondered if he was gonna be one of the best players on the team that year.

 

[MeowingCows]

It's just way off base to act like Bubu is a crappy walk-on and him getting a senior year at ISU would have done absolutely nothing for his career.

I also fail to see how his "crappy walk-on" status affects any of this. He still would get the same treatment in the same case whether he was a "crappy walk-on" or a five-star recruit. No one in that courtroom cared about his basketball-playing ability.

 

[cyfanatic13]

I have a source from within the program that told me Bubu improved a massive amount in that offseason before **** hit the fan... Like, he was beating Korie Lucious quite often in practice and some of the guys wondered if he was gonna be one of the best players on the team that year.

Nope. No way.

 

[brett108]

I think saying that Bubu's professional career wasn't affected isn't correct. Did Deandre Kane's senior season at Iowa State benefit his professional career? Did Will Clyburn's? One season can change a lot. Especially if all you are doing that season is sitting on the bench.

So your saying Bubu is better than Korie Lucious? Because that is likely who he was competing against for time. I have a hard time believing he was, but I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I'm pretty sure his lawyer would strongly discourage apologizing or admitting to any wrongdoing if he currently has a lawsuit against Iowa State. That would be incredibly stupid.

It doesn't mean he didn't do anything, but it definitely doesn't clear ISU of any mishandling of the situation. That would be what the lawsuit would be for.

 

[Ames]

I also fail to see how his "crappy walk-on" status affects any of this. He still would get the same treatment in the same case whether he was a "crappy walk-on" or a five-star recruit. No one in that courtroom cared about his basketball-playing ability.

It's kind of the point of the lawsuit this thread was started about. Bubu is saying ISU's actions were wrong and effected his career. So if the court system finds that ISU did wrong Bubu they will have to decide how much money Bubu lost.