No quibble on her texting all day... I just overreacted to the "asking for it" comment.
Bubu Suing ISU
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No quibble on her texting all day... I just overreacted to the "asking for it" comment.
I don't agree at all that ISU "messed up". Bubu put ISU in the horrible position of having to decide whether a drunk and high MBB player having sex with a drunk traumatized woman, who was just raped and who didn't give affirmative consent to sex, deserves suspension from the MBB team under the student conduct code. The administrative law judge came to one decision. The ISU president and the BOR came to a different (and IMO correct) decision.
It does. But, again, while getting black-out drunk may be a bad decision, it also legally means that you can't consent to sex. Being black-out drunk and committing a crime, any crime, is not a get-out-of-jail free card.
We all know that people get drunk and have sex all of the time. But this scenario is a case-in-point as to why you might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Especially if you have a scholarship on the line.
But the flip side of that would be that if BuBu was such a threat, he should have been expelled, not removed from the all-male team but allowed to intermingle with all of the coeds in his classes and on campus. That's part of the decision-making process from the administration that boggles the mind. Additionally, when it was clear that he was interested in transferring, why not get him off the campus as quickly as possible?
And not to put too fine a point on it, but Bubu does not have a "criminal history". The charges were dropped.
On THAT point, I think we can agree. Don't get so drunk that you are incapable of making wise decisions.
Here's my old-fashioned take. A woman is penetrated whether it's consensual or forced. A guy merely gets aroused and ejaculates. I think there is WAY more "violation" that occurs with a woman than a man.
This is what I just can't wrap my head around.
First off, has he ever talked publicly about this?
Wouldn't taking responsibility put him in a worse place than he already is?
Maybe he would take responsibility if she admitted she was also in the wrong (if he feels that way)?
She had her day in court to accuse him of rape. He wasn't allowed to play basketball his senior year. His name will permanently be tied to rape. And he wasn't found guilty.
And you don't think he has the right to sue anyone who was any part of this?
He plays in the NBA D league. Which is professional. So since he is paid to play professional BB it would make sense to say given a year of college ball at ISU he could have improved his game and received enough attention to be paid more somewhere. Europe or an easier path the D league or whatever.
My ham-handed point is there is lots of gray area between wanting to hook-up and the aftermath of the hook-up that may not be logical and supported by evidence.
In this case, calling her a liar then saying it never happened because she's a liar doesn't reconcile in my mind. Court of law - absolutely and Bubu never got his chance. But for me there is lots of wiggle room between she lied about certain evidence and the sex wasn't consensual at some point during (or maybe after) the act.
But just being on campus doesn't put your face on TV as a representative of the university to tens of thousands of viewers 30+ times a year. Just being on campus doesn't put you in random hotels around the nation, possibly drinking and making bad decisions in other locations. (Remember how embarrassing it was to ISU when Eustachy had his antics on the road.) I think that ISU allowed him to stay on campus as a courtesy, not condoning his actions.
I agree, he doesn't have a criminal history for this - that was my point. We've allowed people WITH them to transfer here. Surely just having a few bad rumors floating around you isn't enough to discourage D-league teams. (And it clearly wasn't.)
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So the star players would get a better treatment?! Not sure I'd support that policy. Regardless, he did have relative success in the D-league, which is better than most D-I players - especially ones who have been forced to sit out an entire year.
But I will once again redirect you to the fact the timing of the decision effectively took away a year of eligibility - that year of development lost could have been the difference between an inconsistent D-league deadend paycheck and a successful journeyman career in European basketball.
I agree with your entire message from a "what ISU should have done" standpoint... However, as others have mentioned, the timing was the mistake. They had a chance to inform him before the date he could have transferred to another school - and they didn't. And while that doesn't mean he would have lit it up elsewhere on the court and played himself into the first round of the NBA Draft or anything like that, he certainly could have made some sort of positive impact from a basketball standpoint.
Also, I don't think some people in this thread realize Bubu is playing (pretty well, I might add) in the NBA D-League right now.
That sounds like we're worried about the image of the university, but not about the safety of the coeds from this "rapist".
Bubu essentially missed two years of playing time as a role player who might or might not have developed further. It's also tough to stay in playing form when you're not playing. It goes a little beyond D-leagues being discouraged by rumors.
Here's one I would add...but I'm basically ******* in the wind with this crowd when I say it.
4) Don't get so drunk that you lose your ability to make wise decisions.
But if you do, make sure your friends won't prey on you while unconscious? I've drawn a few schlongs on foreheads of passed out drunks but have never PUT my schlong on/in/near anyone while they were unconscious.
Is there any kind of evidence anywhere that Leath had decided to overturn Priester and just sat on the decision until the transfer deadline passed? Or is this just a conspiracy theory fabricated by the Bubu fanboys to give them something to justify their hate for Leath?
Given the mess that Leath had to sort through, the time frame seems reasonable to me.
I haven't seen Bubu even say anything as much as "I trusted the wrong friend," or "I should never have been in this situation," or "I shouldn't maybe tag-team a drunk girl." Taking an iota of responsibility for making bad decisions (at the very least) may hurt his chance to sue the very people who even gave him a chance to play, I guess? I'm sorry if I have a hard time feeling sorry for him for that. He screwed up (on whatever level, we can all agree about that), the university acted within their rights to allow him to play basketball, and now he's butthurt at the university. The same university who gave him a chance to play when he had no scholarship. He would have had less than zero chance at a basketball career if it weren't for ISU. The NBA has hired people with far larger issues than an accusation in the past, provided they're good enough to play. He isn't. He's not out anything except the court time that was a gift in the first place.
By even admitting to tearing the shirt, she would have been opening herself up to criminal prosecution. Bubu saying something as simple as, "Hey, kids, maybe make better choices about place and time" doesn't put him at risk of anything.
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